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I'd be interested to see the same credible statistics you've obviously seen which indicates racism by homosexuals occurs less than by heterosexuals.

In academic circle, the concept of 'common knowledge' and 'specific fact' are widely used. The first one need no empirical justification because the proof is everywhere. The second one might need to be supported by specific cases if it appears to be logically paradoxial.

My statement that "minority group is less racist than majority group" is a common knowledge and logically unparadoxial. You can read it anywhere, provided that you don't exclusively stick to HEAT, OK and The SUN.

Heterosexual marriage IS TOTALLY FORBIDDEN in any Arab countries between two different religions (in most cases, different races too). Even if you marry outside the Arab countries (as long as you're an arab by origin), you will still subject to stigma and harassment.

But if it's a homosexual marriage - people couldn't care less about the religions/races. It suddenly becomes irrelavant. You will be still subject to stigma and harrasment for being gay (from the 'straight' society). But no stigma within the homosexual society itself.

I don't want to elobrate further on this. Don't want it to be tacky and tedious. I assume that everyone has enough and proper formal education; and can easily differentiate between common knowledge and specific ones.

Quote from Rab C Nesbit talking to a friend:

'One thing you can say about the Scottish, we're not racist'
'Aye, not like the bloody English!'


I didn't know that in Arab countries it was ilegal to marry outside of your race/culture or religion? Is that literally ilegal or just frowned upon? Does it affect anyone who visits an Arab country or just Arabic people?

Also, sorry to go off thread a bit but I've always wondered if alcohol is ilegal for ex.pats in Arab countries or just the indigenous population? Do you know?

Yes, it's literally illegal. For example: a muslim can't marry a christian/jewish or other religion, and vice versa. You CAN ONLY MARRY if you convert to the SAME RELIGION. It's applied only to the Arabic people. If you're non-Arabic (visitors) and want to marry another non-Arabic (visitors) then, it should be ok. But not ok if it involves an Arabic.

As for the alcohol, some Arab countries ban it totally. Some allow it only on certain premises.

So if an Arabic person (Algerian for example) were to marry a British person in England and then travel to Algeria for a holiday the marriage would be considered null and void? Sorry to go on but this is fascinating I never knew that at all

There are many muslims married to christians.

Muslims are allowed to marry Christians but I think it's Arabic people he means not Muslims in general. Muslims are allowed to marry Jewish or Christian people but nobody from a religion (such as Hinduism or Buddhism) which hasn't a belief in the one God.

Someone on DS posted the transcript of this conversation from last night. It is quite bewildering and by the end, made me want to jump out of a window.

Craig: "I’m gonna have a chip facking butty....’cos I’m English [Riotous laughter from Ant] and I want a chip butty"

Max: "Why you gonna have a chip...Why you gonna have a chip butty Craig?"

Craig: "’Cos am English"

Max: "No, no, no. Why you gonna have a chip butty Craig?"

Craig: "A don’t know"

Max: "Because you can"

Craig: [imitating Max] "’cause I can. ’Cos I’m English"

Ant: "A think because is English is better"

Craig: "’Cos I’m facking...’cos I’m hardcore British"

Ant: "’Cos yuz English"

Max: [apropos of nothing] "I’m gonna have another pint here, might have two..."

Craig [To Ant] "Are you proud of your country?"

Ant: "yeah"

Craig: "Are you very patriotic?

Max: "Couwse he fackin is...done the national anfem..the feller"

Craig: [to Max] "Are you patriotic?

Max: "yes"

Criag: "Do you love your country? Would you love to see all the countries around the world worship us as their God?"

Max: "No"

Craig: "I would"

Ant: "Nah...a still done a classic though when a was in another time another place...in a nightclub fulla...full of French...:

E4 AD BREAK [switched to C4 coverage]

Craig: "This year...this year I was really hoping that they were gonna put me on here with...with an..[mouths something silently to Max and Ant that he clearly does not want to say out loud]

Ant & Max: "Wot? WOT?"

Ant: "Wot the fack is he sayin’?

Max: "Fack knows......[indistinguishable dialogue]...glass of wine"

[Sound muted]

Max: "......that’s a debate I got kicked.......in another time and place....

Craig: "I did. And he was on the opposition. Let ‘em all in, Let ‘em all in, Let ‘em all in..[whispering now] get ’em out, get ’em out, get ’em out..

Craig: "In my opinion, In my opinion.."

Max: ".....they [Endemol?] probably thought you an me’d....get on eventually..."

Craig: "In my opinion...and this sounds harsh. But like...but my like grandad and like great grandparents dint die to protect our way of life to have it then just....

[Sound muted for 34 seconds while Max and Ant look both surprised and amused by what Craig is saying]

Craig: "....and we’ll never be dominated because we would die to the last man standing [Ant laughs]...I pick my gun(?)...I’m proud of my country...

Ant: "Engerlaannd....."

Craig: "...and you will not destroy us..."

[All smiling, laughing and all began chanting ENGERLAAND, ENGERLAAND, ENGERLAAND, ENGERLAAND, ENGERLAAND, ENGERLAAND marching around the living room]

Ironically as they are doing this, the "To Evict Max" banner with phone number comes on-screen!

[Few minutes later in the kitchen]

Craig: "Anthony? Anthony...you hungry? [lowers voice, almost whispering as Science is nearby]...cook us some English chips...with Mayonnaise...English style. [Starts making food] Tell you what you wouldn’t believe how pat...patriotic I was when I come outta here. Facking love my country. Y’know when you watch these shows and people slate yer England. I hate that......Northeners are very patriotic aren’t they?

Ant: "Aye"

Craig: "Moreso than Southerners I reckon"

Ant: "Dya think?"

Craig: "Oh, Northerners...."

[interrupted by yelp from Max]

Ant: "Dinnae...I dinnae like. [To Max] Hear that comment Craig come out with?"

Max: "Whassat"

Ant: "Northerners are more patriotic than Southerners"

Craig: "They are..."

Ant: "Dya reckon? It all depends really dunnit."

Max: "Dunno abaht that"

Ant: "S’all depends"

Craig: "They are, because they’re not used to growing up in a society of many different cultures."

[This line of discussion stops dead when other HMs start to enter the kitchen]

Yes, it is. Unless the marriage is conducted under the Algerian original religion. For example; if the Algerian is a Muslim, then his/her wife/husband MUST convert to Islam. If the British doesn't convert, then the marriage is null: and can be prosecuted. But if this Algerian has dropped his/her Algerian citizenship, then this couple can no longer legally prosecuted. BUT they will still subject to social stigma and hatred.

Ever heard of the Margaret Hassan's case? This is VERY STRANGE. Why? Because Islamic extremists NORMALLY don't kill women especially those are working on welfare activities. Based on previous record, almost 99% of the women captive are normally released (those who are killed normally working directly or indirectly with military operation in Iraq). Why Mrs. Hassan was killed then? One of the reason is because she is married to a Muslim Iraqi without converting to Islam.

Arabs are predominently muslim, but 'muslims' don't all think alike.
There are millions of christian arabs - such as the copts in Eygpt.

Mayonaise on Chips?



They make me laugh these housemates.

I love mayonnaise with chips

YES, exactly. That was it! And, the last sentence:

Craig: "They are, because they’re not used to growing up in a society of many different cultures."

What I heard was:

Craig: "They are, because they’re not messed up growing in a society of many different cultures."

But, I could be wrong. Anyway, the message is clear. Because they are currently in a 'divide': Craig unwittingly tried to play that kind of sentiment. His intention is clear: to get the support of the public. Sadly, he simply forgets the fact that we're no longer living in the 19th century!

My ex.partner is Muslim and he used to write about Islamic politics for a living. As his English wasn't good I used to translate his books into English for him. 'Islam und die Bezeitung Fur Die Welt Politik' by Duran Akbulut was the last one. I've read up on Islamic issues therefore and Muslims obviously think differently from each other like any religion but I've noticed that it's only Christian or Jewish partners that they would generally consider marrying.
This is really very interesting about Margaret Hassan. I couldn't believe it, I really really thought they would let her go.

I think it's because some of our or American troops were in their country, but they were still barbaric though. Can't get over the things they have done though, they are the scum of the earth for doing them.