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Admit it Cameron, he owes you £10,000 and now that's he's come in to a little money, you're keeping on his good side to ensure you get it back. ;)

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And how much does he owe me the??? :angel:


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::lol:: ::lol:: ::lol:: i bet everyone in his radio club will expect a ginger beer on him when he comes out :D


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Ginger beer??Hes mates with Craig?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!


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pikeylass wrote:
And how much does he owe me the??? :angel:


If he goes on to steal the lot then he should hand you all the £100,000.

I've just realised! You're a criminal mastermind aren't ya Pikey!? :eek:

Eugene's your stooge! Wow, what a scam!

I knew nobody could be that wet, not even Kemal if he'd caught Maxwell and Science under the same duvet.

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pikeylass wrote:
Ginger beer??Hes mates with Craig?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!


No, he's going into business with BB5's Jason.

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That's what I meant Cameron. He believed his decision would also include eviction if he accepted the dosh.

And I agree with you if he'd known that the truth, that he would actually have to face his HMs whatever his decision, then he would have decided to decline the money.


So, if he believed that his decision will also include eviction - why do you think he is greedy and coward? He was greedy if he declined the £50K and hoping for more. He was coward if he declined the offer because we all would knew he did it just to please the viewers and the other hms. Eugene has been saying all this while that he's not going to win (he admitted that he is dull and boring). So, if he believes he couldn't win it: why can't he make the best decision for himself eventhough it could be potentially controversial? I call such act as courageous, not cowardly!

What makes you think that Eugene will decline the money if he knows that he has to face his hms whatever his decision is? Any good reason?

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Where we differ is that I am sneering at his decision and you are not. I think he is both cowardly and greedy. Although most viewers think he is neither, and that is also the view of his fellow HMs. Or so they say. But they cannot say otherwise because they themselves have had the honesty to confess they would have done the same.


Most viewers think that Eugene made the right decision. Good that you realise that! And there is no reason why viewers general perceptions (of all the hms) should change because of this incident. WHY? Because, theoretically all the other hms WOULD DO EXACTLY the same should they be given the same opportunity.

So those who're hoping that Eugene's popularity will drop because of his decision, and Anthony will gain something from it.... please stop your wishful thinking before it hurts you even more! The fact is.. Anthony is the one who had shown his TRUE COLOR over the incident. He was so damn GREEDY and ANGRY because he didn't get the chance to be in Eugene's place. That was the reason why he REPEATEDLY said he would rather double up the prize money from £100K to £200K than taking the £50K. For God's sake.. this IQ-less lap dancer was SO BITTER that he didn't even listen to what Davina and Makosi said about the whole situation!

I bet that now.. Ant's parents will vote against him, just as Craig's parents secretly did!


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Gosh Londoner every bit of that post I read made sense, but as I knew it was you I only read "so", not surprising really :D

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I'm still up you know! ::lol::

You should have waited the extra hour before posting Londoner.

I think Eugene's greedy because he said "better two winners than none at all"

My thoughts on this:

1. Eugene believed at the time he wasn't going to win. So I think he is greedily snatching half of the winner's money. If he himself doesn't believe he could win, what the hell is he doing stealing from the winner, and from who the public want to win? For me that is selfish and irresponsible. It is certainly self-serving. But of course the irony is that he IS the public's favourite and he has cheated himself out of the extra £100,000.

2. He's conceited enough to think of himself as a becoming a 'winner' by merely taking advantage of BB's cut-your-fellow-HM-throats offer. Utterly random moment. Great TV but lousy betrayal of BB tradition and the voters. Imagine Makosi getting the money. Not such a nice scenario, eh?

3. At the time Eugene believed he would be also be leaving if he took the money. The fact that it was in a suitcase probably made Eugene think he could walk out then and there with the money (although Craig was probably waiting to ambush him). Wrongly assuming this scenario aided Eugene in his decision to take the money, he assumed he was walking out and wouldn't have to face up to his HMs. That is why I think he is a coward. When he learnt he would have to face them, he turned on the waterworks so the other HM wouldn't turn on him. Coward. He's a gutless fraud. And the Eugene supporters have fallen for it. His twittering about morality is his way of even lying to himself. He doesn't even have the guts to face up to himself and realise he is a greedy, cheating thief who has back-stabbed the potential winner. Blubbing is a way children manipulate their parents. Again the delicious irony is that he's stuck the knife in himself. £100,000 is a lot, but only half of what he could have won if he'd taken a principled stand and taken a gamble. Back yourself you coward! Don't you think you can win? He thinks the British public won't support a drip. He's wrong. "I think I'll gamble Jim, I just hope is not a f^cking speedboat!"

4. If Eugene really thinks it's better to have two winners, why doesn't he leave the house? He's still in there. If he wins, I'll be very happy if he divides the other £50,000 between the other 3 and redeems himself as a moral man. It could happen, but the cool way he took the money first time around makes me thing he'll be back for second helpings.

5. The 'none at all' remark is puzzling. This is a long shot, but does he mean, 'better I get to be a 50% winner than preserve the status quo and get nothing at all on Friday because, I'm so dreary, how can I possibly win?' A sensible choice precisely because it is the selfish one. He doesn't think he can win, he realises what a sh!t HM he's been even though his supporters do not.

Human beings are largely governed by self-interest and self-preservation, which makes BB so enjoyable to watch, but we also have a spark in us of better things which makes us rise above our animal origins. Not everyone in human history has been driven by the greed. Some very successful people have propelled human civilisation forward from motives far removed from self-interest, their financial success has been a by-product but not a motivator of their achievements.

An example: Since Bunny thinks I'm on a Jesus trip, take the example of that man. Though I don't believe he existed, didn't he, in the myth/story, sacrifice himself for all our sins? (Including stuffing the winner out of an extra £150,000! ;) )

As to your other reflections on my comments Londoner:

"Most viewers think that Eugene made the right decision. Good that you realise that!"
Please, I'm not deluded. I know what most people would have done. And I understand their motives. Is it really so hard to understand the few of us who would have declined the money. Do we make you feel so uncomfortable? Do you wish that you could turn down £50,000? Probably not. Money is all, isn't it? Anybody who doesn't realise that is clearly retarded or a liar?

Let me have my moral bleatings, even if you think I am foolish or a liar, but please, let's all admit Eugene can't have his cake AND eat it? You've got the money Eugene, stob blubbing or soon your winnigs will go on paying for paper hankies.

"please stop your wishful thinking before it hurts you even more!"
I'm not hurt at all. And I am not one to engage in wishful thinking (Liverpool CL campaigns aside.) I'm just enjoying the usual hyperbole, melodrama, mania and outrage of BB and BBFans.

If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed I have repeatedly criticized Ant as well. I no longer want him to win. I'll be annoyed when Eugene wins, but by about 11pm tonight it won't really matter. To ANY of us (unless we are related to or know a HM).

If I cared about the result at all I would have voted. And if I was really true to what I believed, I'd be voting for Makosi, because she has been a star. Such an awful person, perhaps, but she has deserved that money. I'd like to see her at least get a sub of Eugene for a new weave.

How can Anthony be IQ-less? Surely if ever tested he would gain some score? Surely? Even if you think it would be below 100. And Ant isn't a 'lap-dancer' is he? Seventies dancer may be even more embarrasing!

Ant will end up earning more than Eugene anyway, as will Makosi. They'll both be p!ssed that a more boring HM has beaten them, but the BB voting public are very thrawn. They are on the one-hand doing the British thing and supporting/celebrating the under-dog/lame-duck and with the other hand using Eugene the Geek as a blunt cudgel to gain some revenge on Ch.4/Endemol and all the other HMs.

Voting for Eugene is a negative vote and not a positive vote for a HM who has entertained us these past 11 weeks (or 7 in Eugene's case, Blimey, Kinga's done more in two!).

A vote for Eugene is a celebration of social awkwardness, sexual and emotional repression and moral hypocrisy. Actually what better winner could the British public pick to represent them?

Yes, I realise it now. You Eugenecists are right. BB6 IS The Year of Eugene. We've never had a more representative winner. All hail King Eugene! The face of Britain 2005!! ;)

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Me need sleep now. Brain hurt. Eyes sore. Me been reading nerd's comments on DS for one hour. Me angry at nerds say Ant thick. Not boy's fault, he from County Durham, he genius by standards there... nerds mocking simple hobbit boy, not funny... me like orange oompa loompa...

Me go bed... see all for eviction... and coronation of king dweeb...

me need bed... others welcome join, but too tired for rumpy pumpy...

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Oh Alan! For some strange reason I always agree with every post you do but with re: to Eugene I think we're at polar opposites. This time I can't agree. I really think he's a sweet, innocent guy and I don't blame him for taking the money. I don't think I'm a bad person but I would sure as heck have taken the money. If I was in the house at all then I would be in there to try and win the money and if I was offered it I would think... Oh cool! I won the money! Bit of a moot point I know bcz I don't have the guts to actually be a HM but if I did, I'd be doing it for the money and if I was offered it I would take it without a second thought. When Eugene gets out I'm adopting him! He's so sweet and I don't care who thinks I'm sad *glares at whoever laughs! :angel:


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You know, if Eugene had turned the money down, I suspect many of the same people who are slagging him off now would also have been slagging him off for being "overconfident that he'd win" :roll:

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Excellent post, alanlapin ()^


"I think Eugene's greedy because he said "better two winners than none at all"

My thoughts on this:

1. Eugene believed at the time he wasn't going to win. So I think he is greedily snatching half of the winner's money. If he himself doesn't believe he could win, what the hell is he doing stealing from the winner, and from who the public want to win? For me that is selfish and irresponsible. It is certainly self-serving. But of course the irony is that he IS the public's favourite and he has cheated himself out of the extra £100,000."


my sentiments entirely, ()^

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it was an excellent post Geena I agree. About Eugene tho, I don't understand why he is being criticised for taking the money.
1- he possibly has Aspergers and so (if it's true) how do we know what logical deduction goes on in his brain and what made him come to that decision?
2 - he went into the house to try and win the money and then they offered him the money.
3 - he could change his mind and give it back as long as he has it but if he didnt' take it he doesn't have that power
4 - I think he's a nice nice boy! :-P
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I understand Eugene (or any of the hm) taking the money - what 'sticks in my craw' is the way Eugene has come ascross as being a man of integrity with high moral standards. I would have more belief and respect for Eugene if he had not also come across as - IMO, a greedy coward looking for forgivness, after the fact .

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