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 Post subject: Why Cameron, why immunity, why such a stupid stunt??
PostPosted: 22 Jun 03, 14:54 
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Firstly, why does Cameron go to SA - what a bl00dy awful "ambassador" for the UK. Was it simply him who happened to go to the diary room?

Secondly, why should he be immune from nominations for 2 weeks?? What relevance has this to him doing a task, it's not as if it's some major sacrifice - he gets a "holiday" from the house and then gets 2 weeks immunity! Absolutely ridiculous.

So much for the basic premise of BB being HMs locked away from the outside world for the period of the show - this "stunt", a bad stunt at that, shows yet again how the underlying "rules" of BB seem to be irrelevant.

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 Post subject: Re: Why Cameron, why immunity, why such a stupid stunt??
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javi wrote:
Firstly, why does Cameron go to SA - what a bl00dy awful "ambassador" for the UK. Was it simply him who happened to go to the diary room?


Yes. And it could have been worse and been Tania/Nush (what would they make of them!) or Gos (might confuse him for a hippo) or Ray (might confuse him for a human) or Scott/Steph (ambassador for doing sweet FA).

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Secondly, why should he be immune from nominations for 2 weeks?? What relevance has this to him doing a task, it's not as if it's some major sacrifice - he gets a "holiday" from the house and then gets 2 weeks immunity! Absolutely ridiculous.


Probably because it'd be an easy reason for housemates to nominate him for something that he's not really responsible for. Can't be easy to go into a house of 10 or so people who know each other in an entirely different continent. Hardly a holiday as he's locked in a house, as he is now.

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So much for the basic premise of BB being HMs locked away from the outside world for the period of the show - this "stunt", a bad stunt at that, shows yet again how the underlying "rules" of BB seem to be irrelevant.


I think it's quite a good stunt, gets people talking positively doesn't it, which makes a change from the negative comments about the show due to its badness. As for the rules, they're broken that way every year, it's traditional now. They've already shown Steph a video of her dog on her b'day. Least they've not done anything like Tim's phone call home last year again.

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Least they've not done anything like Tim's phone call home last year again.

Oh yeah, forgot that - what a cringe.

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Can't be easy to go into a house of 10 or so people who know each other in an entirely different continent. Hardly a holiday as he's locked in a house, as he is now.


Can't agree here - sounds like a great adventure to me, being whisked away to a new continent, all be a bit of a surreal blur but wow, what a buzz. One of those situations where a few days will be filled with moments and memories to last a lifetime. This doesn't seem like a task to me so much as a fantastic opportunity and a mad break.

Even if he is under guard at all times, he'll still be treated very well - I can hardly imagine him being blindfolded and gagged from the moment he leaves BB UK to the time he arrives in SA - although if he was, then I might reassess my view as to how "good" the stunt is!

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Can't agree here - sounds like a great adventure to me, being whisked away to a new continent, all be a bit of a surreal blur but wow, what a buzz. One of those situations where a few days will be filled with moments and memories to last a lifetime. This doesn't seem like a task to me so much as a fantastic opportunity and a mad break.

Even if he is under guard at all times, he'll still be treated very well - I can hardly imagine him being blindfolded and gagged from the moment he leaves BB UK to the time he arrives in SA - although if he was, then I might reassess my view as to how "good" the stunt is!



Absolutely it's a great adventure, but it's not exactly an easy situation to adapt to or a holiday, being with a group of people who know each other, for 5 days, especially with Cameron's accent! No-ones disputing his well-being whilst there. I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make in relation to it being a 'bad' stunt.

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Camboron a stupid stunt?

Couldn't agree more. ::lol::


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My point is twofold -

a) He'll be a centre of attention in SA - not a suspected outsider. After a month there the HMs will be excited to see someone new, surely. I reckon it'd be a very easy and fun situation to find oneself in.

b) on it being a bad stunt, I think that unless they do the "blind and gagged" thing, then it really will be a holiday away from the house, a delightful little side-trip. BB is about being watched 24/7 and I'm sure this will still be happening, but there is a big difference between (1) being under surveillance from unseen cameras and people, not knowing what is and isn't seen, the potential uncertainty and paranoia that can bring, and (2) being taken to airports and seeing "regular people" while being effectively held captive. The first is BB, the second is being imprisoned too but is still "out in the world".

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My point is twofold -

a) He'll be a centre of attention in SA - not a suspected outsider. After a month there the HMs will be excited to see someone new, surely. I reckon it'd be a very easy and fun situation to find oneself in.


We'll have to wait and see about that. They've been in there 3 weeks and as I understand from reports, have had plenty of rows. Being around people you don't know rowing, not a very comfortable situation. And at least in BB UK, there's always the option of walking out the door and seeing your friends and family pretty much right away.

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b) on it being a bad stunt, I think that unless they do the "blind and gagged" thing, then it really will be a holiday away from the house, a delightful little side-trip. BB is about being watched 24/7 and I'm sure this will still be happening, but there is a big difference between (1) being under surveillance from unseen cameras and people, not knowing what is and isn't seen, the potential uncertainty and paranoia that can bring, and (2) being taken to airports and seeing "regular people" while being effectively held captive. The first is BB, the second is being imprisoned too but is still "out in the world".



Well I don't think we know what exactly is going on do we? I imagine that Cameron will have a chaperon in a car to an airport where he'll get on a private plane and be flown over there, not exactly waiting for 2 hours in the middle of Heathrow amidst hundreds of people.

I don't think even if Cameron treats it as a holiday that makes it bad...I mean, we'll have someone new in our BB house, that can only be a good thing surely when you look at the people already in there! Chances are I'm not even gonna see most of what Cameron gets up to, so what he does is pretty irrelevant, it's the African person who is of interest.

So my main point would be that anything which brings a new person in, albeit briefly, can only be a good thing.

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Yeah, seeing less of Cameron will only be a good thing, and seeing someone new here could be good and might be a bit more entertaining, although I stiil think it goes against BBs premise.

But what about this 2 weeks immunity from nominations? It treats him as if he's done some noble deed which deserves rewarding - I fail to see any possible reason for this other than trying to protect them from other HMs jealousies.

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Yeah, seeing less of Cameron will only be a good thing, and seeing someone new here could be good and might be a bit more entertaining, although I stiil think it goes against BBs premise.

But what about this 2 weeks immunity from nominations? It treats him as if he's done some noble deed which deserves rewarding - I fail to see any possible reason for this other than trying to protect them from other HMs jealousies.



It was a task, and his reward for accepting it was 2 weeks off being nominated (thoguh some might say gonig to Africa is a reward itself). Could have easily said 'no, I'm fine here thanks' and stayed.

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It was a task, and his reward for accepting it was 2 weeks off being nominated (thoguh some might say gonig to Africa is a reward itself). Could have easily said 'no, I'm fine here thanks' and stayed.


Well of course he accepted it, who WOULDN'T accept it. Any housemate would jump at the opportunity to do such a task. But that's not my point.

I'm asking WHY such a "task" deserves a reward in the first place, and why 2 weeks nomination-free is in any way relevant or appropriate?

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will Cameron still be nominating when he is away?

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Someone who doesn't fancy going to Africa perhaps? I think it's a bit of a sweeping statement to say 'any' houseamte would, depends on the individual.

Well they can hardly nominate Cameron when he's not going to be there for 5 days. So 1 week off seems fair. 2 weeks, not so sure of, but Big Brother makes the rules so they can do what they like. I guess they thoguht it'd be a kick in the teeth to have their ambassador voted of the week after he went to Africa.

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will Cameron still be nominating when he is away?


Yes he will, by proxy

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but if he's away for 2 weeks, then surely his 2nd week of nominations will be the same as his first as at no point will his opions of the other housemates change in his absence. Nothing can happen which will make him change his mind.

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He's away until Friday

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