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Well that's your oppinion about ethics, but the thing is that these people are in the house 24/7 and can't get away from others for a second. Don't you think it would be impossible to never show your true emotions? It's quite normal to spend time with people you feel close to rather than forcing yourself to spend time with someone you don't have anything in common with. That doesn't mean she's leaving anyone out, I think it's better to stay away if you know you can't restrain yourself. And isn't forming groups exactly what we do all the time in our everyday lives? We spend time with people we feel comfortable with!

I have to ask; are you really saying that you never talk about your problems with someone with other people? Because if you don't, I understand why we see this situation so differently. I need to talk my problems out of my head or I'll go psycho. You need to talk about things other than your past, relatioships are the things that people that have feelings and trust others talk about. And what relationships do the hm's have inside the house? The relatioships they have for each other.

Oh and if you're talking about this weeks nominations, Mika nominated Tiina, not Iina.

As for teamplaying, it's Antti S. who doesn't know how to do it. He even said it himself. He tends to order people around, he seems like a little besserwisser to me.

I spend my time at work with people and some of them I don't feel comfortable at all with! But I have to deal things with them and co-operate no matter how I feel inside of me. I don't like to talk other peoples problems behind anyones back. My problems are mine - I really go through my problems in silence (there are many practical ways to go through them in silence without yelling them out loud) - I don't share them, I don't cry because of them in front of people, but if the problem is affecting everybody, then I share it and really try to solve the problem - but I mean bigger issues that someones behaviour. Oh this is so complicated to explain to someone else in an understandable way. I keep true me in secret except from my nearest people that I've been accepted to be my nearest ones (I'm really reserved in relationships, eventhought my live appearence gives another picture of me) - that's why I've got named as a stranger long ago - no-one except me knows me perfectly and I've noticed by my age that's good for me. And that irritates a lot of people that wants to know everything about me but they just can't and they find themselves to be wrong time after time.

I get along with people pretty well - as long as they don't start to speak bad things behind someones back, or as long as they don't leave someone out of the group without good reasons. I have really strong sense of justice. I believe that people should behave themselves eventhought they don't personally like someone. If someone irritates you it's your problem - but you can't leave him or her out of team because of that - you just have to get along with him or her in a limited situation like that. Or you can do it like Mika did - say it straight after a person has started to talk about the situation.

People have lots of better things to talk about, better things than a subject of someones behaviour in a situation like that. And they should have been trying to talk it in a way that they should have tried to find positive features of Antti S's behaviour. They can't change the way Antti S is talking behind his back of his negative features (that are sometimes positive ones in certain situations) and if they'd say it to him straight, I guess that wouldn't change him either - that's why they couldn't say things straight to Antti S.

I heard it (Mikas nominations) wrong last night, Liisi - I couldn't consentrate well because of someone Sorry!

We have a lot of besserwissers around all of us. And we can still stand them - at least Antti S is who he is, not trying to be someone else.

Well a lot of people do discuss their feelings and relationships and problems with others and there's nothing wrong with that eather. Coping with people you don't like in a working inviroment is a bit different from the BB -house. You only have to work with your colleagues, in the bb- house you have to live with these people 24/7. You also don't have to stay friends with them after the show is over if you don't want to, it's all just a matter of how you choose to go by the experience.

You're way of life is your way of life and it's the right one for you. My way of life is mine and it's the only one that works for me, so there's really nothing to debate there. The same thing goes for the housemates, they each have their own personalities that people eather love or hate. We can always discuss what or who annoys who, but nobody can say that this or that is the right way to do things. The only oppinion that really matters in the BB -house to the housemates is the oppinion of the majority. And this time the vast majority of hm's want Antti S. out.

And I still think that talking behind Anttis back has something to do with it. People didn't do individual choises with nominating Antti S - they even had same kind of reasons for that. It was funny to hear them repeating one by one same reasons that they've been talkingf to each other. It was a group-decision from my point of view!

Coping with people in working invironment is not just colleagues, it's clients as well and clients families and the whole municipality organization. If I had to talk about someone it's usually for a professional reason, how to find the perfect way to coping with that kind of personality. And that's why I love my work - because I can use there my ability to cope with different personalities that I've had since childhood. And it's usually the most difficult personalities that I have to cope with. I've met Antti S type of people in my life and co-operated with them as well pretty well. That's why he doesn't irritate me. Perttu described Iina with same words that most of the HMs did discribe Antti S in nominations. So it's maybe the similarity that's irritates Iina? I've been living with total strangers 24/7 in a same tent, in a same camp, in a same room, in a same house - without playing a game that who'll stay last and who'll be the populariest of us all - coping with each other. It's a different thing in BB House - I agree. They are playing game and they are really aware of it. But sometimes what comes around comes around and that's one of the interesting points of BB.

Your seriously thinking Antti has nothing to do with the fact that he was nominated? That everyone else should have just suck it up? Of course they will nominate the person they feel is the most irritating, not the one that someone has complained about! But what ever. You're right when you say what goes around comes around; that's what we're witnessing now that Antti got so many points against him. He's certainly not a bad person, but he is irritating and they're right to want to get rid of him. Better him then someone everyone likes. Someone has to go.

That's true that someone has to go. I think that Antti will be relieved if it's him. He can't stand gossiping HMs either. That's why he has chosen to be a lot alone. That's why he has gone a little pissed off and snapped back to the other HMs. He won't miss them at all.

Haven't you ever been in a situation were someone starts to talk about a person that's not around, that what kind of things irritates him or her about that person? Haven't you ever noticed that in those situations there are always people that say 'joo, joo, niin mustakin, nyt kun mainitsit asiasta' (yeah, yeah, so do I think, now that you mentioned it) - those ass lickers! Then there are as well people that don't say a word. Then they start to believe it together eventhought they didn't find that person so irritating at all in the first place. And they are afraid to tell their real opinions because the're afraid to be next ones to be talked about. That's a one part of group-dynamics and psychology that I'm interested in. They are also in a more difficult situation than in real life, because in real life you can't nominate certain people out, but in BB house you just have to do it and try to survive yourself till the last week.

I still mean that they didn't do their nomination decisions as an individuals after they have been talking to each other the whole week about Antti S. Nominations would have been different if they didn't have talked to each other about Antti S. I still think that other HMs had more to do with the fact that he was nominated than opposite. Because there are in all of us some irritating features. Like there's in every single HM as well. They've started to play the survival game and Perttu find it hard at the moment as well. That's the way the Roman Emperor used to rule their world.

And this situation reminds me the George Orwells book as well

Last night Hanna stayed almost all of the night in Timos bed.

Today HMs got new task - traditional dancemarathon. They bet 50 % out of their weekly money for food. They all have certain personal song and if it is played that certain HM has to go outside to the platform to dance in a 60 seconds. Those songs might be played mixed as well, so there'll be sometimes all of them dancing. HMs made themselves the platform from materials that BB brought to them. I wonder how do they wake up in a middle of the night when they are asleep and how do they manage to get themselves into a platform in a minute from asleep!

I guess we'll just have to agree to desagree. I think it's pretty sad if people change their oppinion on the grounds of someone saying something. I wouldn't expect anyone to jump off a bridge if I told them to, would you? We have different oppinions on Antti S. and Iina but we haven't been able to change each other's minds about them, have we? Are we supposed to start patronising people that we talk to and worry about what we might say to make them change their minds about them? I don't think so. People aren't quite that submissive.

This has turned in to quite the debate

On the subject of the third weekly task, I think it's really funny! Makes me think of the superhero -task in BB4, eh? I hope Big Brother will wake the hm's up in the middle of the night to dance, it'll be hilarious! It'll be interesting to see if someone just can't get themselves out of bed and fail the task for them. Or maybe they'll be in the bathroom or in the shower... YEY!!

I'm falling off my chair here!! Antti A. just danced to his song "äidin pikku poika" (mommy's little boy) Earlier Timo was the first housemate to dance alone to his own song "Go west". He promised to start stripping at some point, the ladies were pleased

It seems like they are getting their task ideas from our BB2, because we had a fire task and a dance task in BB2.

Blimey, that's true! I don't mind though, I think it's funny anyway. I actually didn't even see the BB2 fire -task since I hadn't found BB yet when it started airing here.

I loved the dance task on our BB. I thought it was a good one to watch.

That's what the production team wants - to keep audience awake with this task.

Liisi, I like it when someone else is as stubborn with her or his opinions about the same subject, eventhought that opinions are diffrent. I didn't wanted to change your mind, but I tried to explain my point of view, where I am looking at the subject. And still, people kills themselves just because someone has expected them to do so. People tastes drugs just because someone has expected them to do so. People makes crimes and becomes prostitutes just because someone has expected them to do so. So people would jump of the bridge as well just because someone has told so. But that's my opinion and you look these thing from a different point of view - it's ok! And I do expect that my physical exercising class will do the excercises that I teach them!

By the way Antti A has to dance three times one after another!

Mika was the first housemate to dance his dance this morning. He was allready outside working out so it was no problem for him to jump on stage and start playing airgitar to his song, "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden. Big Brother was feeling nasty this morning as he started playing Kathy's song "American Idiot" whilst she was taking a shower, Hanna and Antti A. also had to jump out of the shower on their turns when "Barbie Girl" and "Mommy's little boy" started to play. Antti A. ran to the stage with shampooed hair and showed the camera what he had inside his bathrobe Propably as a revenge, Big Brother started playing his song again when he went back to the shower. Antti S. was in the loo when his song "Dancing Queen" started to play and just barely made it to the stage. BB crew has cartainly been having fun with this one

Oh by the way Mari, I have to say that you just can't take responsibility of other people's actions. If someone wants to jump off a bridge because of something I said, I really can't help it. I'm a nice person and would never ever incourage anyone to do anything stupid, but I still can't take responsibility of how people interprite the things I say. I'd go mad if I had to think about it all the time. You just can't hold all the strings in your own hands, you need to let people live their own lives. And I need to live mine. Of course everyone needs to take responsibility of their own actions including the things they say, but that doesn't mean you should close up and be fake. That's complitely damaging, at least it is to me. Believe me; been there, done therapy