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Renault Avantime
NSU Ro80
Edsel
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AMC Pacer
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 Post subject: 10 Hopeless cars, allegedly.
PostPosted: 21 Sep 05, 15:05 
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10. Renault Avantime
We have a lot to thank Renault for. The Espace, the Scenic and the Modus have influenced other manufacturers in a big way. The Avantime caused a reaction too, but it was mainly the sound of laughter. A giant two-door coupe that looked like an Espace but with only four seats, it was expensive and quite baffling to the ordinary car buyer. Within two years they pulled the plug with less than 8,000 sold.

9. NSU RO80
An advanced saloon with aerodynamic styling, disc brakes all round and a high-tech engine – how could it possibly go wrong? Unfortunately, the sophisticated Wankel rotary engine suffered from rotor tip wear, which caused them to disintegrate. NSU did the honourable thing and replaced them under warranty, but it ruined the firm financially and they were absorbed by VW.

8. Ford Edsel
Perhaps the most famous failure of all time, the Edsel was preceded by an advertising blitz that it could never live up to. 2.5 million punters arrived in showrooms on ‘E-Day’, only to discover an underwhelming and expensive saloon was behind all the hype.

7. Austin Allegro
Look at the original design drawings of the Allegro and you’d be gobsmacked at how something so stylish could end up looking so comically frumpy. The body shape was changed to accommodate the archaic engines, thereby eliminating any semblance of grace. It rode relatively well and avoided rust, but it looked dated within minutes of being unveiled. It also showcased the first, and unsurprisingly the last, square steering wheel. Need we say more?

6. AMC Pacer
If nothing else, the Pacer proved that US buyers know a dud when they see one. Designed to be wide rather than long to suit American highways, the stylist Richard A Teague clearly forgot to make it attractive. Its stumpy looks weren’t helped by the miserable performance – the biggest 5.0-litre V8 engine option produced only 125bhp, giving it a top speed of 106mph and making a mockery of its name. The production run lasted five years, with just over 200,000 made.

5. Ford Scorpio
Which is more worrying; that the finished product was miles away from the original idea, or that this is actually how they wanted it to look from the start? Underneath the shell, the well-proven mechanicals and comfortable interior were effective, but the sheer horror of the gaping front grille and bulging headlamps were too frightening for most. The chintzy chrome strip across the boot was little better, though this styling trick is successfully employed by many manufacturers today.

4. Triumph Stag
The recipe sounded perfect – a gorgeous Michelotti-designed convertible with a sonorous and powerful V8 engine. When Triumph finally took it out of the oven, it was decidedly half-baked. Instead of using the Buick-developed V8 used by partners Rover, two Triumph four-cylinder engines were spliced to create an eight-cylinder powerplant. Numerous teething problems resulted, and despite its loyal following today, it never fulfilled its potential.

3. Morris Ital
The Morris Marina was never a good place to start, but this redesigned version was even grimmer. The original Marina was developed in 18 months, and some of its components could be traced back to the 1948 Minor. By 1980, something desperate had to be done to keep up with the competition, and the Ital was the result. £5 million was spent on a facelift and bottom tuck, which managed to eliminate what little charm was left in the shape, but the pensionable engines and crude suspension remained. At least Morris tried to blame it on Ital Design by using their name, even though they had next to no input.

2. Delorean DMC 12
John Z Delorean, who died in March 2005, is famous for many reasons – some unrelated to the car named after him. However, the fact that the factory absorbed truckloads of Government cash should not obscure the hopelessness of the product. The clever original design became a distant memory, and the result was unreliable, underpowered and over budget. Demand tailed off rapidly, and despite the massive investment, only 6,500 cars were built.

1. Alfa Romeo Arna /Nissan Cherry Europe
When manufacturers get together and pool resources it can produce great results, or complete disasters. The Arna/Cherry hybrid sits firmly in the latter category. A mix of Italian flair and Japanese expertise should have been made in heaven, but they clearly decided to divide the tasks by means of a lucky dip. Alfa ended up doing the electronics while Nissan took care of the styling, resulting in an ugly car that didn’t work properly.


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Article ref. DeLorean DMC-12.


The DeLorean legacy – and British car industry

MORE car makers have come and gone than continue to exist, and many of those which are still producing cars under their own names are actually subsidiary companies to large multinational operations, some with little interest in their product other than what is returned at the bottom line.

Many makers have folded through no fault of their own, save perhaps lack of developmental resources. Global trade and competition have put paid to any number of smaller producers as the quest for greater economies of scale results in cheaper (and many would say less characterful) offerings that can be found on sale in almost every market with just a few tweaks necessary here and there to adapt to local preferences and tastes.

And no particular ‘type’ of car has been immune to this so-called ‘progression’. From the mundane to the mighty, the minuscule to the massive, there are tragic examples in every category.

Sadly, Britain’s car industry has not been immune either, and is perhaps one of the countries hardest hit in the ongoing extinction of family favourites. With a trail of names which exists now only in the memory or among the vibrant groups of enthusiasts keen to perpetuate all that was good about these once household, now defunct marques, some look back fondly at Riley, Wolseley, Humber, Hillman, Singer, Triumph and, most recently, Rover - to name just a few.

One car maker with sights set high and hype to match was John Z DeLorean, a former employee of General Motors and the man who pretty much created the American ‘Muscle Car’ phenomenon of the mid-1960s with the enormously powerful Pontiac GTO.

DeLorean’s idea was to build an ethical sports car to rival the likes of the Porsche 911. Beset by troubles, the car eventually lurched off the production lines in 1979, to enjoy a brief three-year production run of some 6-7000 examples of which around 10 percent were right hand drive.

Nobody can deny that the DeLorean DMC-12 is a striking looking car. Designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro with the project overseen by Lotus’ Colin Chapman, the DMC–12 was to be aimed at “the bachelor who’d made it” and incorporated such bachelor-boy gimmicks as room behind the front seats for a set of golf clubs, and optional red leather interior.

Powered by the heavy 2850cc PRV (Peugeot-Renault-Volvo) fuel injected V6 engine mounted at the rear, the car developed around 145bhp – hardly enough to worry anybody in the thoroughbred Porsche stable – and hauled it up to 125mph. Even sportscars from the 1960s like the legendary Jaguar E-Type and Ferrari Dino were clocking 150mph and more, and the diminutive Lotus Elan could outrun it quite considerably on the 0–60 sprint, propelled by a mere 1600cc engine.

And it wasn’t just the engine that was sadly lacking in power - the gullwing doors were so heavy with electrics that the single gas strut on each side was barely enough to open them, let alone hold them open - and worse still, despite the weather seals, they also failed to close properly, so the design may have looked spectacular on paper, but in the metal, appeared to be a spectacular failure.

The body itself was of GRP (glass-reinforced plastic) construction, sheathed in brushed stainless steel and while it looked striking, owners soon found it was almost impossible to clean and keep clean. Anybody familiar with finger marks on a stainless steel fridge freezer will know that to try and keep a whole car looking sparkling clean would be a tall order, even with a bottle of baby oil handy!

Similarly, the wheels – which were beautiful to look at – were a cleaning nightmare with their multi-spoke design. The car’s wide track and the fact that the front wheels were cast 1inch smaller in diameter than the rear aimed at improving the handling of the car – much needed considering the front-to-rear weight distribution was 35:65, mainly due to the overweight powerplant.

The interior of the DeLorean feels cramped with all the techno-gizmo stuff going on – the telescopic steering column and adjustable wheel, the not-inconsiderable central console, the lumbering air-conditioning and climate control systems.

That, coupled with the red leather everywhere and the tiny window apertures made for a very warm cockpit – many examples are reputed to have encountered air-conditioning failure amongst the other teething troubles and some of the windows are even reported to have stopped working altogether.

It all adds up to a great shame for a car which under other circumstances could have gone from strength to strength.

Already dated by the time it was launched and sadly underpowered, the DeLorean did not get off to a good start. Even with a reputed £60 million or so of government/taxpayers money backing the purpose-built factory at Dunmurry outside Belfast, the company closed its doors with an alleged debt of £25 million.

Aside from rose-tinted glasses and the ability to gloss over the rough build quality and numerous other issues, the potential new owner of this particular example (bought in 1988 for £10,000) would need to be looking for a sum of between £25,000 and £35,000 to secure ownership, and therefore kinship in a rather select family.
We’re a funny lot, the British car lovers!


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Id have a triumph stag, but not as my main car


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In the allegro camp the most useless one was the 998cc. Dreadfully under powered for the weight and I'd imagine poor fuel figures as a result.
I've used the 1275cc engine as the basis for a 1293cc engine for a Mini. Insurance companies take (or used to) pity went you said you got the engine out of an Allegro. Made it easy the next time to insure another similar Mini.

We had a small engined Nissan Cherry estate which really needed more power as you had to come right down the gears on bigger hills.

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Don't know if it's the most hopeless, but I'd say the Scorpio is the ugliest.


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The Scorpio was not a pretty looking car but the higher spec model was a real brute and went VERY VERY fast. I have driven one, and there was very little on the road to touch it. The body was solid and stood up to a lot of abuse ::lol::


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Kinda like mesel...


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Where on earth do you make these top 10 -lists? ::lol::

If those 10 cars were the only cars that exist and I'd have no other choices to choose I'd choose just for fun Triumph Stag, Delorean DMC 12 would be ok for that purpose as well. In the summertimes I see over here lots of Ford Edsel -type of cars.

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Hotmail does them Mari A.


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::lol:: @your Hotmail pals!

I don't use my hotmail address that much, it's there just in case. I use my work e-mail (nothing crap gets through) and my personal e-mail with my friends. ;)

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Ahaaa! Good plan. I get MSN Today, that's where most of the polls come from.


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::lol:: As you can see, I don't use MSN ('mese' in Finnish ;) ) that much either that I haven't noticed their polls ::lol::

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I was well impressed because I thought you made them all up yourself...!

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Alfa Romeo Arna/Nissan Cherry Europe


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