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Author:  tastyfish [ 15 Aug 05, 14:46 ]
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A married primary school teacher has been jailed for 15 months for having a sexual relationship with a teenage boy.

Hannah Grice, 32, had pleaded guilty to two counts of indecent assault on the boy, when he was aged 14 and 15.

Sentencing her at Stafford Crown Court, Judge John Shand told the mother-of-two from Cannock, Staffordshire, she had abused her position of trust.

"Cases such as this are made worse by the fact that you were a member of the teaching profession," he told Grice.

She was also ordered to register as a sex offender for 10 years.

Simon Rippon, prosecuting, told the court how Grice's relationship with the teenager grew after he developed a "schoolboy crush" on her in March 2003.

Mr Rippon said they progressed from hugging and kissing to sex at the home she shared with her husband Mike and their two daughters.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, kept in touch with Grice by text message and e-mail and said this took place up to four times a week until May 2004, the court was told.

'Deep regret'

But the relationship eventually became public, confirming "widely-held suspicions", and Grice was arrested the following month.

Stephen Bayley, defending, argued that his client should receive a suspended sentence and told the court Grice apologised for her behaviour.

He said she had moved house, resigned from her teaching post in Etchington, Staffordshire, and felt "constant and deep regret".

Speaking outside the court, the victim's mother said: "Prison's the best place for her. She was actively pursuing my son.

"This was the biggest breach of trust imaginable."

'Schoolboy fantasies'


But Grice's husband said he would be waiting for his wife when she was released.

"I stood at the altar with my wife and said, 'In sickness and in health and for better or for worse'. I will stand by those vows I took," said Mr Grice, 34.

The IT consultant and his father-in-law Trevor Pyke, 61, also questioned the basis for the prosecution.

Both dismissed the boy's allegations as "schoolboy fantasies" and criticised the fact that the only evidence in the case was from him.

"What opportunity was there for three or four times a week?" asked Mr Grice.

He added: "The difficult thing for me has been the effect it has had on my children.

"I'm a family man and the most difficult thing for me is going back to explain to my daughters, one of whose birthdays is next week... why her mum is not going to be there."

BBC News
OK, I'm going to say it. Why didn't this sort of thing happen to me when I was at school?! OK, she is a bit of a moose, but every schoolboy's fantasy and all that... ;) *waits for sackloads of abusive PMs...*

Outrageous behaviour, yes. Not to be condoned.

Author:  Liisi [ 15 Aug 05, 17:00 ]
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So isn't a 15 -year old boy trying to have sex with everything that moves anyway? Morally wrong? Sure, in many accounts, but could you call it a rape? Hardly, since the boy was obviously willing. But sure, a law is a law.

Author:  tastyfish [ 15 Aug 05, 23:37 ]
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Liisi wrote:
So isn't a 15 -year old boy trying to have sex with everything that moves anyway? Morally wrong? Sure, in many accounts, but could you call it a rape? Hardly, since the boy was obviously willing. But sure, a law is a law.

you could prob say the same thing about teenage girls judging by the number of under-16 pregnancies. technically a 17 year old boy having sex with a 15-year old is just as bad as a 32-year old male (same age as the female teacher). how would the law treat the man even if the girl was willing. likely to be banged up (sorry, prob not the best phrase to use) a lot longer. and then when he gets out the CSA will be on his case...

Author:  Mari A [ 16 Aug 05, 7:35 ]
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We all know that teenagers don't have ability of judgment until their brainfunctions are developed (over 25 years old). That's why adults are responsible ones to say them what's wrong and what's right. (And that's why I wonder why do they have to pick in BB House Housemates under that age, because they are easily under a manipulation without support of their families) If I think of my children in that age some day and if I remember me in that age some day, I'd say that they are still children, no matter how big thoughts thay have in their minds and how grown ups they are trying to be. Adults should protect them, not take advantage of someones childish and foolish behaviour. If she really was guilty (not blackmailed with frustrated teenager and the community), she should be registered as a sex offender for the rest of her life. Same punishement should be ordered if there has been technically 17 year old boy having sex with 14 to 15 year old girl. Remember however that back in history noble people got married when the girl was in the age of 12 or 13 in some cases. That has been really terrible and horrifying and physically and mentally destroying. School boys fantasys are ment to be fantasys, fantasys should not be carried out real. Adults should know it and stop them from the start. Or then face the punishment of the worst kind.

Author:  Liisi [ 16 Aug 05, 14:19 ]
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At the age of fifteen people are legally obligated to take responsibility of their actions, they can be prosecuted if they comit a crime and they also have to pay for the consequenses if they're sentenced. I know kids do stupid things in that age, I know I did, but still I can't help but think the jailsentence was quite harsh. Even if it were a 32 -year old male having sex with a 15 -year old girl. A rape is always a different thing and the circumstances surraunding the incident have to obviosly be taken in to serious consideration.

I do acknowlege that this teacher has a lot to hope for in her morals department and that what she did wasn't right. But there are many other things that lead me to think so, not just the sex in itself. I'd understand, even demand her beeing fired and somehow made change profession, but jail and ten years as a registered sex offender? Not unless she somehow forced the boy to have sex.

Author:  ellie [ 16 Aug 05, 15:16 ]
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There is a problem imo with turning a blind eye or changing the law, if the boy is sexually active anyway or was sexually mature and knew what he was doing. How would people feel if the teacher were a male. Then the right wingers and homophobes would be up in arms. You can't have one rule for women teachers and another for males. The line has to be drawn somewhere and I think it should just be that no teacher no matter what their age or sex is, should be able to have sex with any pupil.

Author:  Mari A [ 16 Aug 05, 20:58 ]
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Liisi wrote:
and ten years as a registered sex offender?


:eek: I wouldn't let my children to a school if I there's working such a person that has been registered once as a sex offender :eek: TG we have over here a law that everyone, who's working with children should have to show their employer their extract from police records. And if their criminal record isn't clear they can't ever work with children.

Author:  tastyfish [ 17 Aug 05, 1:09 ]
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but I also think in this country that people so over react if an adult male has sex with say a 14 or 15 year old female even with her consent. In France, the legal age of consent (male-female) is 15. In Iceland and Italy it's 14, same as in Germany. In Spain it's 13. These are advanced European countries (and France). Why do we go mad? Do people have hidden agendas? it's that psychology thing again... (you know, the one about attention diverting)

Author:  tastyfish [ 17 Aug 05, 1:10 ]
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more info here, avert.org age of consent table

Author:  Liisi [ 17 Aug 05, 7:56 ]
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Mari I did say I though she should somehow be forced to change profession, which means that I don't think she should work as a teacher anymore. I think in this case the worst thing this teacher did was that she slept with a pupil. I don't think she should be thrown to jail for it, but I wouldn't want her teaching my son eather. I wonder would people have reacted differently if she had been someone he just accidentally met.

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