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Author:  zx50 [ 23 Aug 05, 14:15 ]
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Animal rights activists have terrorised this farmer for years with hoax bombs, bricks thrown through his window, a letter sent to him and to all the people he knew, claiming that he was a paedophile, malicious phone calls. While i agree with what the animal rights activists are fighting for, i certainly do not agree with their methods. This is way beyond the line, and they should have been arrested for this, and maybe sent to jail as well. There are plenty of things in this world that i don't agree with, but it doesn't mean to say that i'm going to start making malicious phone calls or throwing bricks through people's windows just because i can't get my own way. These extremeists are a right bad lot, they claim that they are trying to protect the animals that they are fighting for, yet they are quite prepared to endanger humans lives. Yes okay, the very humans that are selling these animals for torture, but they are still endangering them. To be quite honest, to me, they are nothing but thugs going on like this, and they have the cheek to write on a sig post (photo in the link) scumchurch, don't make me laugh, if anyone's scum it's them. They have no idea how to fight for their cause properly, they musn't have ever heard of going through the proper channels, just throw a brick, or make a malicious phone call, or send a letter to someone and their friends claiming they are a paedophile :roll:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staf ... 176094.stm
Author:  Molly [ 23 Aug 05, 23:44 ]
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They are sick evil twisted individuals! How anybody can claim to care for animals when they are capable of such brutality is beyond me!!! I am crazy about animals! I don't eat meat, I don't wear silk or leather, I'm kind of obsessive almost in how much I care about ALL animals but this is way way unacceptable and they are a disgrace to all animal-activists!! Fecking disgusted! Absolutely disgraceful and they give the rest of us a bad name by their behaviour! If they were as compassionate as to care about the animals how can they be so brutal to humans? Compassion can't be diluted or 'meted out' It's disgusting and I don't want to be associated with 'people' like that! :evil:
Author:  Molly [ 23 Aug 05, 23:49 ]
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p.s I'm glad that the guinea pig farm is closed down but anybody capable of 'desecrating a grave' or falsely accusing someone of paedophilia is just 'playing so dirty' that I think they must be mentally sick and evil and so much so that they surely are not capable of really genuinely caring about those animals in the first place. - I would campaign against the ill-treatment of anyone who is vulnerable be they old, young, an animal, ill, asylum-seeker, but although the farm has been closed down (thank God!) this is a very hollow 'victory' indeed. This behaviour is (imo) reminiscent of the fox-hunting crowds behaviour rather than compassionate people who simply want to eliminate suffering. I'm ashamed that they call themselves animal-activists and I want nothing to do with them! I refuse to be associated with them and I don't believe that they care about animals - if they had that much compassion why could they behave that way? It makes no sense to me! :8o:
Author:  pikeylass [ 24 Aug 05, 0:29 ]
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I agree with you to a point,Molly.I loathe animal cruelty of any kind..but over the years care of animlas involved in animal research HAS changed..and they honestly are cared for as compassionately as is possible.When I was young and idealistic I didnt eat meat,wear leather,etc(thats not a value judgement on your principles btw,Molly)I have seen far crueller deeds done to domestic animals believe me :evil:
However...and this is really hard for me to not be emotional about this.My parents both died of cancer,I have been (Hopefully succesfully) treated for it..and I lost 2 daughters after premature labours and had 2 further miscarriages before successfully having my family.I would not be a mother without animal experiments(I have an auto-immune illness which meant I could not carry a baby to term without what was then new treatment which was carried out on rats as their immune system is closest to a humans).I have family pets but we would willingly have sacrificed them had it meant my mum could have been treated successfully.

Sorry bout the pity party bit of it.....just trying to say why I changed my mind about animal expts
Author:  zx50 [ 24 Aug 05, 0:51 ]
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There's probably loads of animal rights people in the world that are fighting for this cause, but they fight properly. I suppose if they are doing things to animals for a good cause, then i might just be able to understand, but then you get the pointless experiments for make up and beauty products. This sort of thing is totally pointless, and only done so women can look beautiful. It's a bit like the fox hunting sport where they breed the foxes just for that sport, absolutely pointless. But, i suppose we'll always get thuggery like this when it comes to "defending animals", the trouble is, while they are defending animals, they forget about everything else that is wrong. People like this are just braindead really.
Author:  pikeylass [ 24 Aug 05, 0:58 ]
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Sadly they tar all animal lovers with the same brush though :-?
Author:  zx50 [ 24 Aug 05, 1:06 ]
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Yeah i know. I sometimes see stray cats or dogs outside when on the bike, and just basically want to hug them, and show them love. But at the same time, i could never resort to the extreme measure's that these imbeciles have took. It just infuriates me to think they could be so thick, not to realise that what they were doing was actually putting someone's life in danger. They just haven't got a clue really, all they see is their objective, and de hell with whoever else gets hurt in the process.
Author:  pikeylass [ 24 Aug 05, 1:13 ]
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Well...I would sacrifice a few thousand guimea pigs if it saves others going through what I did :D
Author:  Molly [ 24 Aug 05, 12:52 ]
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I'm really sorry about your parents Pikey, I dread to think of losing mine. I can't bear the thought of it. :-( There is an organisation called Frame 'Fund for the Replacement of Animals in medical Experiments' that I have a lot of respect for. http://www.frame.org.uk/ they want to end animal experiments but they recognise that this is not possible until we have viable alternatives. Take care hon {{{hugs}}}} X
Author:  zx50 [ 24 Aug 05, 13:06 ]
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This is the thing though, i do realise that people who have took anti biotics, these have probably been tested on animals to see if they are safe. I think animals lives are valued a lot less than humans lives. I know it's daft in a way, but you never see a human research lab do you. Maybe because animals don't have the power to speak out and make the choice of whether they wanted to be tested on. But it really does bloody infuriate me when they test "beauty products" on them :8o: Absolutely pointless, and should be stopped imediately. You know something, the thing these extremists don't realise, is that say they did shut down all of these research labs, and then one of their kids or one of their own got sick. And say if they needed something that hadn't been tested on animals yet. Would they say "oh well, go on then" and let them test the drug on an animal, or just flatly refuse. I wonder about this.
Author:  pikeylass [ 24 Aug 05, 13:48 ]
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I wasnt referring to animal testing for cosmetics or even medicines as such but the breeding of animals to raise antibodies,etc.Rodents are most like us in their immunological make-up so are used frequently to help produce testing kits,etc for diagnostic purposes.As for humans testing products,ultimately they are.I had immunotherapy (which was in it infancy) in order to have my eldest daughter.At the time no-one knew whether it would work,but as I was working in a lab at the time and heard about it I agreed to try.All the initial research had been performed on mice.It somehow worked(though the mechanism is still unclear) and I went on to have a healthy family which would not have been possible without animal research.
Author:  Molly [ 24 Aug 05, 16:11 ]
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Please don't get mad at me or take it the wrong way (I'm scared of getting shouted at) - but I disagree with ALL animal testing full-stop. One (well several) family members died of cancer, one close family-friend also. I would rather die of cancer today than have an innocent life sacrificed on my behalf. Even though I have lost the people I loved the most I would never condone animal-testing. Ever. Please please don't shout at me, I can't help how I feel. Two wrongs don't make a right and I've suffered too but if it can't be fixed without animal-testing then I personally feel that we just have to keep looking. Please don't shout at me anyone :-(
Author:  pikeylass [ 24 Aug 05, 17:14 ]
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I'm not shouting at anyone at all :-? I'm just saying it isn't always as straightforward as it seems.Animals are bred to produce sera for diagnostic lab work.The animals are not treated cruelly...in fact I've seen domestic animals treated worse.What I think is ludicrous personal circumstances aside that people working in labs,saving lives,helping others are caring individuals and are often labelled by activists as 'torturers',have abuse hurled at them,etc.if there were alternatives methods of research they would be utilised believe me.
Sadly lives must be lost for medical progress...humans and animal.I am not angry with you for your opinions in the slightest..you are entitled to them...but I do wonder if further testing had been allowed on animals would my mother be still alive now??
As for innocent lives...lets say no-one asks to die from terminal illness
Author:  Calrissian [ 24 Aug 05, 18:36 ]
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I will not comment on the story itself...however...what comes to mind...

were an Alien specise to come down, grab a few thousands people a week, and then use them for test various 'products' or medical procedures, do you think some people would see the irony in it?

Humans -because 'they can' effectively deem all other life 'lower', I'm sure there are some alien societies that would treat us like rats in cage.

Blah, I got only a small amount of sympathy for the people concerned. Sure, the animal militia people are about as nuts as the very people who do the 'tests' on animals.
I can just imagine how the 'ethics' people will look back on the Glaxo's and the Smithkline's in 2250.

Calrissian: LOST
Author:  Molly [ 24 Aug 05, 18:45 ]
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Pikey I wasn't aiming that at anyone specifically, least of all you. I'm sure you know that tho hon. I won't keep it on forum, you know how I feel @^@ {{{big hug}}}
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