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 Post subject: Corps: Contractors Killed in New Orleans
PostPosted: 05 Sep 05, 1:02 
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Sunday September 4, 2005 11:16 PM

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six, a deputy chief said. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers said the victims were contractors on their way to repair a canal.

The contractors were walking across a bridge on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to fix the 17th Street Canal, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Corps.

Earlier Sunday, New Orleans Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people, killing five or six.

The shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

No other details were immediately available.


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 Post subject: Hurricane Katrina Shootings
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September 4, 2005 3:20 PM
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Stations: The latest New Orleans-datelined urgent series Hurricane Katrina-Shootings has been KILLED. The Army Corps of Engineers says the contractors were shot at, then police fatally shot the gunmen who'd fired on the contractors. The contractors were NOT killed.

A kill is mandatory. Make certain the story is not broadcast.

A sub will be filed shortly.

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Can anyone clarify,,,,has martial law been declared in NO???In which case a shoot to kill policy can be utilised.....

Otherwise..not legal....but is dog eat dog..end of.


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You know something, these terrorists are destroying our country whether Tony Blair wants to admit it or not. The police are going to be very edgy about who to kill and who not to kill. Things aren't really getting back to normal at all really, we just have one very edgy country now, well, London anyway. Once all the terrorists can be found and dealt with, and once we can prevent this from happening again somehow, only then can the people of London get back to normal. Until then, the people and Police of London are just going to be very edgy indeed. And edginess just means more people getting pulled up and maybe getting killed, AGAIN.

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coastguard helicopter crash.

No one is sure if its been shot down...or 'merely' a crash.
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Man alive,c...this is just so mind bogglingly awful

I cried tonight watching the footage,,,,how dare humans treat each other so bad,,,,,shouldnt common decency and respect regardless be everybody's right?????

We are supposedly intelligent and able to make considered decisions..and yet we deny comon courtesy to folk who aint our demographic...

If anything can be gained from this...we are all human...no-ones perfect...no-ones TOTALLY imperfect....

Live and learn from each other...........


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To confirm the above story, 14 contractors came under fire whilst they were being escorted across the Danziger bridge by police. Full story, BBC News

Seriously, what sort of deranged person thinks that's a good idea? Perhaps the type who thinks the situation is a good excuse for a bit of anarchy?

Hopefully, over the next few days, weeks, and months, the US will have learnt some home truths about their nation, about their people, and more importantly, about their president. A country hell-bent on mass-consumerism that cannot even respond adequately to a large-scale human tragedy; a country that labels itself as a 'superpower' but cannot even control the violent actions of its own people; and a president who's biggest weakness now seems to be that he cannot make snap, intelligent decisions by himself.


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Good post,T


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 Post subject: Mayor: Katrina Death Toll May Hit 10,000
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By DOUG SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
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One week after Hurricane Katrina devastated the region, miles-long lines of vehicles crawled into Jefferson Parish on Monday as residents were allowed to return to salvage what was left of their homes. New Orleans' mayor warned that 10,000 people may have died.

President Bush began his second trip to the region since the storm hit, landing in Baton Rouge late in the morning to start another inspection tour and consultations with federal and local officials.

"All levels of the government are doing the best they can," Bush said in Baton Rouge. "So long as any life is in danger, we've got work to do."

Traffic began moving into the parish west of New Orleans at about 6 a.m. A curfew was set for 6 p.m., and residents were told they could stay until Wednesday.

Among those returning was Diane Dempsey, a 59-year-old retired Army lieutenant colonel who stopped at the water's edge less than a mile from the house where she grew up and where her aunt lives.

"I'm going to pay someone to get me back there, anything I have to do," she said, sobbing while standing amid boats beached on Veterans Highway. "A lot of these people built these houses anticipating some flood water but nobody imagined this."

Most of the single-story bungalow homes in her neighborhood had water nearly to the rooflines. Homes in the most exclusive neighborhood of the parish, Old Metaire, had little structural damage but some of the worst flooding. Along rows of palatial, six-bedroom homes, a few windows were broken and the live oaks survived but the water rippled up to front-door knobs.

The suburban parish, which has 460,000 residents, has been closed since a mandatory evacuation just before Katrina hit. Wide portions of Metairie and Kenner suffered heavy flooding, and authorities said thousands of homes were damaged.

Some 400 to 500 police officers from New Orleans' 1,600 member force were unaccounted for, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said.

A week after the storm, a definitive death toll remained elusive. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned on NBC's "Today" that "it wouldn't be unreasonable to have 10,000" dead.

Despite the grim estimate, he was more upbeat than in previous days, when he railed against the federal government and broke down sobbing during a radio interview.

"We're making great progress now, the momentum has picked up. I'm starting to see some critical tasks being completed," he told NBC.

"The 17th Street canal is about or was about 84 percent closed in yesterday afternoon. We have more troops arriving, so we're starting to make the kind of progress that I kind of expected earlier."

Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told ABC's "Good Morning America" that fewer than 10,000 people remained in the city, based on aerial reconnaissance.

"This is not a city under siege," he added on NBC. "This city needs help from the big people in America and its technology to get back on its feet. We are focused on the future. We have to finish the search-and-rescue and provide food and water from an area from Mobile (Ala.) to the east side of New Orleans, up to I-20 in Mississippi. This is a pig-big piece of terrain. There are people there that need help. We will do the best we can to get it to them."

On Sunday, as authorities struggled to keep order, gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors on a bridge, rescues of stranded residents continued and the flood waters began to recede, leaving the grisly task of collecting bodies.

The Times-Picayune, Louisiana's largest newspaper, published an open letter to Bush, called for the firing of every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

"Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially," the letter said. "No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced."

Violence boiled over in New Orleans when 14 contractors on their way to help plug the breach in the 17th Street Canal came under fire as they traveled across a bridge under police escort, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. Police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six, Riley said. None of the contractors was injured, authorities said.

Besides the lawlessness, civilian deaths and uncertainty about their families, New Orleans' police have had to deal with suicides in their ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

Reinforcements for police poured down the interstates toward New Orleans — long convoys of police cars, blue lights flashing, emblazoned with emblems from scattered police, sheriff, and other jurisdictions, in and out of state.

Riley said some of the missing officers lost their homes and some are looking for their families. "Some simply left because they said they could not deal with the catastrophe," he said.

Nagin said he was arranging to rotate out beleaguered emergency workers, who have been working virtually around the clock since before the storm hit.

He said police officers, firefighters and their families would get five or more days in cities with large numbers of hotel rooms — Atlanta and Las Vegas in particular. In addition to rest and relaxation, he said, they will have time to assess their personal situation.

At two of the city's damaged levees, engineers continued making repairs that would allow pumps to begin draining the floodwaters. "The water is receding now. We just have a long ways to go," Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday.

Hundreds of thousands of people already have been evacuated, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and other states. With more than 230,000 already in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry ordered emergency officials to begin preparations to airlift some of them to other states that have offered help.

What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known.

In Jefferson Parish, residents were allowed back as long as they showed a valid ID proving residency, had food, had a full tank of gas and didn't drink the water.

Parish President Aaron Broussard warned residents that they would find all traffic signals destroyed, no open stores and a dusk-to-dawn curfew. He recommended that women not come alone.

Among those returning was Jack Rabito, 61, a restaurant-bar owner, who bought his home in 1965, and like Dempsey didn't have flood insurance. "I won't be getting inside today unless I get some scuba gear," he said, waiting with Dempsey for a ride in a boat to get to his home.

In Old Metairie, residents were angry that the levees were not designed to withstand a hurricane stronger than Category 3. Katrina was a Category 4 hurricane when it made landfall.

"My home didn't lose a shingle, but it's got six feet of water in it," said Bobby Patrick, a resident who returned from Houston.

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coastguard helicopter crash.

No one is sure if its been shot down...or 'merely' a crash.
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This seems to be a bit of a MYSTERY FLIGHT

Crew escapes injury in New Orleans helicopter crash

A civilian helicopter has crashed in New Orleans but the two crew members on board have escaped with cuts and bruises.

Louisiana Office of Homeland Security spokesman Mark Smith says the helicopter rolled over and all four blades and the tail section were broken off when it crashed in the Danziger section of the city.

There is so far no indication that the aircraft has been brought down by hostile fire.

Mr Smith says it is not clear what the civilian helicopter was doing in the city.

"There were two civilians on the helicopter [and] both sustained cuts, scrapes, but no major injuries. The helicopter came down hard, rolled on its side," Mr Smith said.

Mr Smith says the aircraft has "nothing to do with evacuation, it had nothing to do with the Coast Guard".

Helicopter crews have been flying thousands of flights a day into and out of the blighted city of New Orleans, bearing supplies and troops, and taking out refugees after Hurricane Katrina struck on Monday.

- AFP


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As usual, I am still watching WKRG - http://www.wkrg.com

Superb flawless live streaming, during most of the afternoon-late night hours.
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Likely new storm- Nasty 'Nate'


94L - just to the east of Florida. If it develops as much as I believe, it will cross westwards over Florida as a mild Tropical Storm (<75mph), and then quickly intensify over the gulf of Mexico...and slam into New Orleans as a Cat'3 or 4' - taking almost the same path Katrina did.

Yes, thats right, New Orleans is the prime target for the next Hurricane, although there is of course massive uncertainty this far out. It might not develop, but then the water is warm...and conditions look favourable.

If things do develop...we could have a Cat'3/4 pounding New Orleans by the weekend. Of course, statistically people will be amazed, but the univers e doesn't work on 'regularity'.

Historically speaking, - it would indeed be unusual, but it is not out of the realms of possibility that Louisiana gets whacked again at least once this month.

Calrissian: monitoring 92L, 94L. and a few other tropical waves.[/b]


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Thanks Calrissian, I have been watching that channel for the past week.

The news about the NEXT ATTACK is being played down at the moment, they seem to have enough problems :D

For the benefit of members who like to read the LOCAL media, try this link, which gives a different look at events:

The Times-Picayune


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George Bush: "We are dealing with one of the worst disasters in our nation's history"

That would be the worst disaster since the one where they voted you in, you total muppet. Do everyone a favour and resign.

New Orleans crisis shames US


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Tropical Depression 15' now listed http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/


TD'15 is however NOT the one I was just babbling on about a little earlier.
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There are currently 3 'areas' being investigated, one of which - TD'15 already confirmed as a swirly.

Its gonna be a busy week for the 'weather freaks' - of which I'm one. ON a few of the forums around the globe, people were earlier freaking out when they saw the initial prediction tracks of the possible storm east of Florida.


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Have you read or heard from news that has G.W. Bush talked anything about Kioto's Climate Agreement and that U.S.A should take it more seriously by now to stop or slow down the 'greenhouse' effect on this planet? :-?

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