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Yup,,,but hell trailer trash and n****s are dispensible....


Makes me absolutely sick to the core.
Truly truly despicable administration...and as Cal said it was all foreseeable :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


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 Post subject: Rapes, killings hit Katrina refugees in New Orleans
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NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - People left homeless by Hurricane Katrina told horrific stories of rape, murder and trigger happy guards in two New Orleans centers that were set up as shelters but became places of violence and terror.

Police and National Guard troops on Saturday closed down the two centers -- the Superdome arena and the city's convention centre -- but them penned them in outside in sweltering heat to keep them from trying to walk out of the city.

Military helicopters and buses staged a massive evacuation to take away thousands of people who waited in orderly lines in stifling heat outside the flooded convention centre.

The refugees, who were waiting to be taken to sports stadiums and other huge shelters across Texas and northern Louisiana, described how the convention centre and the Superdome became lawless hellholes beset by rape and murder.

Several residents of the impromptu shantytown recounted two horrific incidents where those charged with keeping people safe had killed them instead.

In one, a young man was run down and then shot by a New Orleans police officer, in another a man seeking help was gunned down by a National Guard soldier, witnesses said.

Police here refused to discuss or confirm either incident. National Guard spokesman Lt. Col Pete Schneider said "I have not heard any information of a weapon being discharged."

"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told Reuters. "A young lady was being raped and stabbed. And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing lorry of them, and he jumped up on the truck's windscreen and they shot him dead."

Wade Batiste, 48, recounted another tale of horror.

"Last night at 8 p.m. they shot a kid of just 16. He was just crossing the street. They ran him over, the New Orleans police did, and then they got out of the car and shot him in the head," Batiste said.

The young man's body lay in the street by the Convention Center's entrance on Saturday morning, covered in a black blanket, a stream of congealed blood staining the street around him. Nearby his family sat in shock.

A member of that family, Africa Brumfield, 32, confirmed the incident but declined to be quoted about it, saying her family did not wish to discuss it. But she spoke of general conditions here.

"There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats. They keep telling us the buses are coming but they never leave," she said through tears.

People here said there were now 22 bodies of adults and children stored inside the building, but troops guarding the building refused to confirm that and threatened to beat reporters seeking access to the makeshift morgue.

People trying to walk out are forced back at gunpoint - something troops said was for their own safety. "It's sad, but how far do you think they would get," one soldier said.

"They have us living here like animals," said Wvonnette Grace-Jordan, here with five children, the youngest only six weeks old. "We have only had two meals, we have no medicine and now there are thousands of people defecating in the streets. This is wrong. This is the United States of America."

One National Guard soldier who asked not to be named for fear of punishment from his commanding officer said of the lack of medical attention at the centre, "They (the Bush administration) care more about Iraq and Afghanistan than here."

The Louisiana National Guard soldier said, "We are doing the best we can with the resources we have, but almost all of our guys are in Iraq."

Across town at the Superdome, where as many as 38,000 refugees camped out until Wednesday night when evacuation buses first came, the 4,000 still there were corralled outside, hoping to get on four waiting buses with seats for only 200.

The scene at the sports stadium was one of abject filth. Crammed into a small area after the building was shut to them last night, those remaining sat amid heaps of garbage, piled in places waist high. The stench of human waste pervaded the interior of the now vacant stadium.

One police officer told Reuters there were 100 people in a makeshift morgue at the Superdome, mostly people who died of heat exhaustion, and that six babies had been born there since last Saturday, when people arrived to take shelter.

At the arena, too, there was much talk of bedlam after dark.

"We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."


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"We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."


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It's total anarchy...but what else would anyone expect?


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If the crowd got the right person great, but......

Why Is the "greatest country in the world" disintegrating, over some poor weather :-?

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Raped....and killed...

What can you say?

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Because the 'greatest' believed their own hype and thereby wreaks it's own revenge at the hands of nature


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This is a huge thread and its 3am so I will read it properly tomorrow. Just wanted to add my twopennyworth to the pile.

I dont know about you people, but what has happened in New Orleans and the surrounding areas in the last few days has been an incredibly humbling and soul destroying thing to watch.

The fact that the level of destruction was preventable is a travesty.
I dont even want to get started on how things are being resolved. They have spoken for themselves.

At this stage of the proceedings, as an armchair voyeur to this tragedy, I feel hugely powerless. No matter what the country or the level of development or amount of ready cash, NONE of us are ready for the sort of devestation that some freakish situation like Katrina or the Tsunami creates.

The politics of this situation are at the moment very irrelevant to me. I am very much aware that after the event there will be a number of questions that need answering, but those people need help NOW. Fortunately, they are starting to get it, but the cost of life has already run way too high.

The lawlessness is the nature of the beast in these circumstances. We arent talking about people emptying electrical stores here, we are talking about desperately hungry and thirsty people in blazing heat and life threatening conditions raiding any shops they can find to survive. Why this is more important to control than the evacuation is beyond me.

The rapes and violence are abhorrent. But something like this will bring out the best and worst in people. I guess if you think you are going to die then you dont care how you behave. Shooting at the people trying to help you is pure dumbness though.

I just hope that not too many more nights have to pass without every survivor having somewhere warm and dry and something to eat and drink inside them. Let's worry about the practical aspects when thats sorted, and not a minute before.

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"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told Reuters. "A young lady was being raped and stabbed. And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing lorry of them, and he jumped up on the truck's windscreen and they shot him dead."


Firstly, why didn't the troops go in the house immediately when they should have heard screams coming from this woman. Unless it was from quite a bit away from the house maybe.

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"Last night at 8 p.m. they shot a kid of just 16. He was just crossing the street. They ran him over, the New Orleans police did, and then they got out of the car and shot him in the head," Batiste said.


Secondly, what the hell is this all about?? Unless there is something i'm missing here, why the hell did they shoot a 16 year old kid for, just for crossing the street as well, by the POLICE. What the hell is going on wherever this is. It seems like EVERYBODY is running wild, and just doing anything that takes their fancy. Blimey, i wouldn't like to be living here, that's for sure.

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Two things amaze me: Firstly, that the government of what is supposed to be the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth is STRUGGLING to cope with relief efforts, and secondly, that American citizens are that sick that they will rape and murder given any opportunity. hate to say it, but everyone's probably thinking it, but it only strengthens in my mind certain social stereotypes.


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 Post subject: Storm disaster fuels doubts over US terror plans
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hurricane Katrina's devastation of New Orleans -- and the delay helping stranded people get out or even get water and food -- is raising doubts that U.S. cities may be ill-prepared to cope with a potentially worse disaster: a major attack.

Four years after the September 11, 2001, attacks, the storm disaster marked the first time the federal government has invoked its post-September 11 response plan aimed at enhancing Washington's ability to deal with national incidents.

But as Americans reeled at images of death and desperation among the city's refugees, experts on domestic security said a nuclear or biological attack on a big U.S. city could cause greater mayhem, and unlike the storm, come without warning.

The New Orleans disaster is already viewed as an illustration of what can go wrong in an American city under siege.

"In many ways, this is a test of our national capacity," said James Carafano, senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. "If we can't do this 24-7-365, we aren't doing our job for preparedness."

In New Orleans, largely submerged in flood waters, the plan was unable to cope with tens of thousands of desperate refugees who could not escape the city.

"There are a whole host of factors that you can practice against. But to be honest, it's not the same as living through it," said Frank Cilluffo, director of George Washington University's Homeland Security Policy Institute.

The relief effort has been led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, part of the sprawling Department of Homeland Security created after the 2001 attacks. President George W. Bush acknowledged on Friday that relief efforts so far had been unacceptable.

Officials said deaths in New Orleans were in the hundreds and probably in the thousands. But the human toll could be far worse if caused by terrorism, experts said.

Intelligence officials have long warned of the danger of Islamic extremists setting off a nuclear, biological or chemical weapon in a city. Attackers could also wreak havoc by destroying a nuclear power plant or a hydro-electric dam.

"If you had a nuclear explosion and fire or something biological in New Orleans, you'd have seen tens of thousands of casualties," Carafano said. "We don't really have the capacity to mobilize the medical support for catastrophic terrorism."

Only a handful of cities already hit by terrorism or catastrophic natural disaster, such as New York, Washington and Miami, have adequate emergency systems, experts said.

New Orleans' emergency responders were plagued by communications trouble that raised comparisons with problems faced by the police and firefighters who responded to the 2001 attack on New York's World Trade Center.

When Katrina roared ashore, it downed transmission towers needed to maintain radio and cellular telephone contact between emergency crews. Many have had to get by with walkie-talkies.

"What were they thinking? You know a hurricane's going to knock down cell phone towers," said Paul Light, professor of public service at New York University.

He and others said cities should have spent federal homeland-security money for satellite telephones and criticized the federal government for not assigning higher funding priorities to communities facing the greatest risks.


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 Post subject: NEW ORLEANS: POLICE SHOOT FIVE DEAD
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22:07 UK, Sunday September 04, 2005
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Police have shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge.

At least five of those are dead, according to Deputy Police Chief WJ Riley.

Mr Riley said the shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which connects Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

He said he had no other details.


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Just said on BBC news 24 is 8 dead.....the coverage on there atm is great btw if anyone wants a decnet summary of the week.Press are now allowed in downtown New Orleans as the city is being evacuated


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That will be another 12 hour shift for Kay Burley then reporting it, i've been watching sky news since about 12.00am today and she was still reporting before I came on here, she looked knackered. Haven't Sky not got any more news casters?, or does she have to hog every breaking news item. It's no wonder that most of em that were on Sky are now on News 24. Back to the 8 gunmen sorry, well that's 8 less scumbags to bother about. The police don't need dickheads walking around the streets with guns, when there's people to rescue. Welcome to dodge city, things haven't changed much, in America it seems, it's pathetic what people have had to endure in that superbowl building with scum like that about.


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BRKG - Six Shot were Army Corps of Engineers Employees

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