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PostPosted: 14 Dec 04, 15:46 
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This thread has been split and personal comments removed.


Can you show me where disco's post is please?

Only there were no personal comments on that, just a intelligent analysis of my comments on Alistair. As a mod I am sure you aware theat forums are about debate without personal attacks which that post was.

Thank you mod


Sorry about that Bonzo. I wasn't the one who split the thread, but I do know how difficult it is to split threads exactly as you want them. The rest of the thread is actually around. It has just been moved to a private area. I think just a whole batch of posts were removed together. Unfortunately, I can't really think how we could move his post back again, because we can't actually attach posts back. The only way that I can think of, would be to edit someone elses post and copy it back in, but then it would look as though someone else had written it and not him. There were actually some other posts removed which were okay as well, but as they all seemed inter related, the whole lot were removed.

I have just had a look at the post in question and unfortunately, the first piece of it did actually refer to some other posts which had to be removed, so to have left it would have meant that the thread didn't make sense, which is probably why it was removed as well.

I'm sorry about this and hope that you understand. If not, please send me a PM. Thank you.


Thanks Christine, why not PM disco or myself with the post, and I can't get Dave to reword it and make it more applicable, so the healthy debate about Alistair/FA/Reality TV can continue.

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Alistair is as witty as George Bush, talented as my dead dog and he looks like the childcatcher from chitty chitty bang bang.


Thanks for that, Bonzo - given the contribution you've given over several years to the online Reality TV community (including being administrator of the official Ainslie Henderson site, admin of popular Big Brother and Fame Academy forums and a regular and much-loved member of many other forums), your thoughts on such issues are certainly very valid.

Many won't agree with what you posted or the way you said it, but I believe your points are as valid as anyone elses in this thread, and the way you chose to make them (in a short soundbite) is just your style.

Let me expand on the points...

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Alistair is as witty as George Bush

Alistair? Witty? To some, perhaps. But to Bonzo, Alistair is anything but witty. Some may find pulling childish faces, making unnatural arm movements and unconvincing impersonations witty, but more discerning people prefer a good Oscar Wilde book.

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talented as my dead dog

As you do not know Bonzo's dead dog and this is a comparison, you cannot possibly dismiss this as not valid as you do not have sufficient evidence to comment on.

Bonzo finds Alistair's performances too nasal and severely lacking in originality. He finds his music uninspiring and lacking in any sort of provocation of feeling or emotion, be it happiness, sadness or anger. In fact, he finds it cringeworthingly bad. As I said, Bonzo finds his vocals too nasal, plus his hand and arm gestures irritating. In terms of songwriting Bonzo finds Alistair's work really quite simple.

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he looks like the child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

The pop music industry has evolved since 1932 and is now a multimedia, visual and aural experience. Personally I see this as a good thing as it gives artists even more freedom of expression. For example, when Alex Steinweiss pioneered music album cover art, he started a revolution in both music and graphic design. Freddie Mercury went on to have the idea of bringing the cover of Queen II to life in the video for Bohemian Rhapsody, and Warhol has designed and inspired countless examples of cover art.

The video revolution has taken music to another level completely, as another interpretation of music by incredibly gifted individuals such as Cunningham, Shadforth and Gondry is crafted into a short film. Any *real* fan of music will appreciate what I'm saying here.

And the third part of the visual aspect of music is how the act itself presents itself. Bowie, for example, is a classic example of how the visual art form can enhance the musical experience. Madonna is another, as are Placebo and even the Cheeky Girls. There are countless others - I've not even scratched the surface.

And then there's Alistair. Oh dear. He cannot do much about his personal physical characteristics, such as his oft-mentioned nose. But he CAN do something about how he presents himself. His hair for one thing - always appears greasy and slimy to me. And then his choice of clothes. It's difficult to pinpoint an example, so I'll just use an avatar on this site: he really doesn't pull off the t-shirt with a suit jacket look.

At all times he appears awkward and uncomfortable. Perhaps it's because he doesn't like being in the public eye, but that's tough - it's the profession he chose.

All in all I think Bonzo made very valid points. You may not agree, but I've certainly provided enough evidence here to demonstrate that there's substance behind Bonzo's humour - whether you like his style or not.

As for the Cheeky Girls, I'd suggest they are as - if not more - talented as Griffin. They aim to provide entertainment to children, and are RESOUNDINGLY successful. They set out to do fun, cheesy, cheeky songs - again, something they are arguably the best in their field at. They even write and perform their own songs, something many Griffin fans would claim is the epitome of good musicianship. What's more, the public like what they do enough for them to have a sustained recording career. They must be doing something right, whereas Alistair, frankly, isn't.

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So what did happen to Ainslie :angel:

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He showed great promise and released a single called keep me a secret in feb 2003 which shot into the top 5.

Since then, he's faded into relative obscurity, save the occassional story in local (scottish) press and the odd popbitch mention.

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it is pants :( I wonder hwy he never got the release another single :(

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I feel dreadful now!! :-(


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I must have been rude, but I can't remember it!!! :oops:

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Don't worry vagabond I'm sure it's all water under the bridge now.


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it is pants :( I wonder hwy he never got the release another single :(


Stupid record company.

He was brilliant - they should have held their nerve.


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I love keep me a secret I play it a lot tbh :oops:


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