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PostPosted: 24 Mar 05, 18:22 
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Collins Stewart hunts down internet libeller



The ability of users of internet bulletin boards to remain anonymous was placed in serious doubt yesterday after Terry Smith, chief executive of City firm Collins Stewart Tullett, won a landmark libel settlement.

Mr Smith and his firm won "substantial" damages from Jeremy Benjamin, a fund manager who posted false allegations on the Motley Fool web site using the invented web name "analyser71".

The claims were described in a high court statement yesterday as "serious allegations of criminal and dishonest financial wrongdoing by Mr Smith and the claimant companies" and "a grave slur on Mr Smith's personal and professional integrity".

Mr Benjamin, in the same court statement, said he "now accepts his serious error in publishing these libels". His claims were made in September and October 2003.

Mr Benjamin was traced after Mr Smith's lawyers, the City firm Rosenblatt, won a court order forcing Motley Fool to reveal what details it held on "analyser71", including the identification number of his computer and his email address. Motley Fool had refused to volunteer the details without a court order.

The computer was traced to Mr Benjamin's employer at the time, Kyte Fund Management. He has since left the firm.

Mr Smith's lawyers were able to establish that the bulletin board postings were viewed from 49 computers before they were removed by Motley Fool. Oliver Smith, of Rosenblatt, argued that the relatively small number did not diminish the seriousness of the libel.

"Forty nine may not seem to be a large number, but they could have been 49 influential people in financial services and they could have copied the messages and sent them to other influential people," he said.

As well as undisclosed damages, Mr Benjamin has agreed to pay the claimants' legal costs, which are understood to be three times as much.

Mr Benjamin is thought to have been a friend of James Middleweek, the former Collins Stewart employee who last year settled his own 18-month dispute with the firm and Mr Smith. In that case, no money changed hands.

Mr Benjamin's comments on Motley Fool's discussion board related to the Mail on Sunday's coverage of Mr Middleweek's allegations against Collins Stewart.

Mr Smith and his firm are pursing the Financial Times for alleged libel in articles that reported the same allegations. The FT has defended itself vigorously and the case is due in court in November.

The Benjamin case is thought to be possibly the first internet-related case in which a defendant has settled publicly after making comments anonymously.

Rosenblatt's Mr Smith said: "In September and October 2003, he may have thought he could say these things anonymously and would not have expected that in March 2005 it would end up costing him a substantial amount of money."

Mr Benjamin's admission of libel was comprehensive. The court statement said: "He recognises the significant damage they [the libels] have done given that the website in question is aimed at and used by professionals in the financial services industry working in the City of London where the claimants carry on business.

"The defendant is here today by his solicitor to withdraw the allegations unreservedly and to apologise publicly to Mr Smith and the other claimants."mediaguardian


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b*gger, did they say which threads/forums had been pulled? :oops: :oops:


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I shall certainly be taking notes on this one.They can track you down then and all the details are on ISP records.Magic darts! ;)

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Oh that is very interesting indeed :angel:


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Soon they will have the power to make ISPs reveal names and addresses of IP numbers. To stop downloaders.
Wouldn't mind if they felt so strongly about changing the law to track down the identity of online paedophiles. But of course money comes first. :roll:

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hmm, well...
Any forum administrator who gives in and hands over IP addresses to companies/police etc, deserves nothing more than the electric chair.

I would rather be shot dead by a SWAT team, than allow authorities to start tracing/finding who visits my site/post etc.

For the first time in humanities short history, with the advent of the net, peopel for the first time are able to come together and say the things they never once dared. Ohh, but this is not welcomed by all. Indeed, there are many who are desperate for Internet'2 to come along, and regulate what is said, and who may speak etc.

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If the people are libelling people, then they should be tracked down and caught if possible, the internet has for to long been used by weirdoes to spread their unpallatable bile to anyone who'll listen!!

More annoying to peeps who don't want to either :roll:

Yes Vilt, i look forward to this being used in context of certain BB forums, and rumours that pertain to certain exHMs as well ;)

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One persons 'libel' is another person's desperate attempt to get the truth out.

For instance.... consider this thought....

'Prime Minister Tony Blair blatently lied about the pretences on which he went to war.'

Now, the blair supporters will arguably say 'hey,,,calrissian just libelled blair, lets sue his butt'.
Technically speaking, they would indeed have a case against me.

The anti-blair people will counter with 'ohh, but thats what we all know, we know he lied, as we seen with no WMD's being found.

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Question is this, do you really want such ideas/thoughts/theories etc, BANNED ?
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If so, then we are talking about a large majority of the posts/news reports online. Where do you draw the line, and who do you want to draw the line? Do you want Blair to draw the line? Do you want any 'famous' person having the ability to ban all talk/speculation about them?

*the whole Jackson case, many forums are flooded with people either blatently saying he is guilty as sin for abusing children, or that is he victim of some grand conspiracy by the white people !

Yes, the concept of 'libel' 'slander' etc have their merits, but it is a very different matter online, and hopefully, always will be.

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Many people have made the Blair point in print, they're not getting sued Calrissian, coz they and you have a point on that subject!! I know your point is there may be truths struggling to get out, but there are many more true lies, which can be propogated by nutters that i would dislike even more then Blairs proto-torys!!

I also feel if your psychologically damaged, this constant stream of paranoic nonsense can push you over the edge of sanity!! I don't talk about this from boring thesis or reports, i know it from first-hand experience :-?

I'm far from convinced that this stuff achieves anything i'm afraid ()^

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