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Should Offenders wear Orange Boiler suits on those serving community service
Yes , humiliation is a good way to teach them 64%  64%  [ 9 ]
No, humiliation is not a good way to teach them 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: 17 May 05, 0:41 
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I am not sure if they should be made to wear an orange suit.


Yeah, better make it Burberry print instead ()^

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Some criminals are so dark minded that they'd love to wear those clothes and wouldn't care at all something called humiliation - they have become immune for that because they have used to it since childhood. Some of them wants to be noticed by their faces and names for their crimes that everybody else criminals knows who they are and what they've done - they'll get reputation from that kind of thing among other criminals. So, the humiliation isn't the thing that works. Psychopaths should be locked in for the rest of their lives, because they can't be anything else in a first place.

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I just wrote something that we discussed about few years ago when I was studying Special Education in Uni. Researches told that most of the criminals has learning difficulties, ADD or ADHD or something else that has thrown them in to the dark side of the alley. Police officers also has told and researched that when a child or teenager meets wrong type of friends and can't say NO to wrong things that so called friends are doing, their lives may turn in to a drugs and crimes. No matter what their families social and economical status are.

So I believe more in prevention when people are still children and teenagers. Criminals should be punished when they have turn in to ones.

But humiliation has lost its power on hardened criminals - they wouldn't mind at all wearing orange boiler suits - but maybe it would make people that ain't yet criminals to think twice before they even think to do something criminal.

This is subject of two-edged sword...

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I'm sure learning difficulties have been with us a long time, it's called Lazy ******* sindrome, and scare the **** out the teachers because there all soft hippies. It's easier to go out and sell drugs and mug people for money than it is to work and learn something these days. In this country if someone came up to you and kicked your head in and filmed it on a mobile and you snatched it off em, and smashed the thing the Police would do you for breaking it. That's how stupid things are going here, I'd break there arm off with it myself.


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What has that got to do with learning difficulties?You cannot possibly say that all children with learning difficulties go on to be the yob adolescents that terrorise people.I work with kids with learning difficulties.Quite often they are unable to get the parental support theyneed cos their parents are unable to provide it.It is rarely the case that the parents I meet are unwilling to give it .Similarly one of the most disruptive pupils I havev is an intelligent middle class boy who has never been taught to show respect to anyone.It is arrogance not poor intelligence that leads to poor behaviour imo.


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steve_o wrote:
I'm sure learning difficulties have been with us a long time, it's called Lazy ******* sindrome, and scare the **** out the teachers because there all soft hippies. .



I work with children who have learning difficulties in am main stream school and they certainly aren't the problem. Neither are the teachers/staff 'soft hippies' The problem usually arises when parents question every decision a school makes when it comes to disciplining their perfect child who in their eyes can do no wrong. Most kids have simply had it far too easy and never have to work for anything. There is a lot to be said for delayed gratification in teaching young people but sadly these days we are raising a generation of spoiled little brats. ()^


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Well said HC.Couldnt have put it better myself.Most of the parents of the SEN kids are extremely grateful for the support.It is the over indulged brats who cause the vast amount of problems.Their parents constantly defend their angels and don't teach them to take any responsibility for their actions.They are indeed over-indulged and spoilt.Thankfully they are in a minority but significant enough to cause problems.


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Can anyone tell me what anyone with learning difficulties goes on too achieve, because this country's qualifications obsessed. I'm not saying everyone with leaning difficulties goes on to be a yob, but I'm also saying they don't get the best job offers either, if any, and I know because I've been in and seen those Job Clubs and know what goes on in them. Years ago if you had learning difficities or just couldn't be bothered or wanted to be left alone whatever, you could earn a decent living being a road sweeper or any other job that didn't include having to have an English degree or maths degree or just live on the dole. Trouble is life's getting more and more complicated and this is what we are reaping. What I'm having a go at is if your thick you stand no chance, be it from not learning or having common sense, you can't even claim dole when you leave school these days, because people who pay taxes don't want to pay ie thick people, people with learning difficulties or people who just want to hide away from society when they leave school any money. Maybe crime seems a better option to some people. Are things getting worse because societys always pushing? What I'd like to know, was when I was at School no one had heard of learning difficulites, yet we know, or think we know about it and have given it a name to justify it and some people have got some nice jobs out of it, yet things are getting worse. Let's have a debate? The people who really know the score in this country are the courts putting people away, they know dam well what the causes of crime are in society and I can tell you they won't tell us because it involves money, The lack of it, the greed for people who want it so bad, and the ones who have got it, but want to keep and hang onto it.


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I am a tad drunk and may be wrong ..bu wasn't Richard Branson dyslexic ?

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Einstein went on to achieve alot..Jamie Oliver....My point is that having learning difficulties does NOT make you a delinquent and it is disgraceful to suggest that anyone with such problems should just be labelled as worthless and not offered the opportunities that other kids take for granted.I do my job because I want to make opportunities available to all kids regardless of upbringing and if I wasn;t pasionate about it then I would be failing.Call me a do-gooder if you want but the bottom line is if peeps like me don't care who does?A society where we turn our backs on people who need the assitancce,support and care of those that are able us,imo, not a society I want to live in.


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