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::lol:: It was funny, I nearly choked on my tea!

The "Russians" seem to have been lifted straight out of a James Bond film, I'm half thinking Blofeld will turn up next week :D

Charlie? not up on the names yet, is a pretty sussed guy, he'll rumble it in no time unless he gets kicked off early.


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Charlies the TIT actor who nearly ruined the show by asking awkward questions.

Err as you said before Westy. As the ship aint going high enough to lose gravity they may as well be on Easy Jet ::lol:: ::lol:: Its basic physics that the attraction decreases the higher they ascend. Even seemingly weightless space flights are affected by the pull of the earth hence decaying orbits.... well thats my back of a cornflakes packet understanding of it ::lol:: ::lol:: ::lol::


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Surely they'll be in some sort of simulator?

Or else be immersed in a huge tank of water...


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Ok Anal time, If I was in the dorm I'd have spotted that the radiator was made by potterton..dunno if they export cheap rads to Russia or not but I doubt it ::lol::

Also on the bus as they got off, The sign above the door said mind your head and no Cyrillic in sight.

I need to get out more ::lol:: ::lol:: :oops:


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Watching the direct sat link isn't providing too much extra footage except I think every title sequence they can think of.
Oh and the bit just now were the presenter didn't know the mic was still open during the last ad break ,when he expressed that he "so doesn't need to do this f'ing live".
Wish they'd slip up a bit more.

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One has to wonder just how much more BS can be delivered to this group of individuals before they start to ask questions.

I am no expert in psychology, but from my experience, it only takes one person to start asking difficult questions for the whole group to start developing doubts.

The programme makers are relying on the group dynamics to maintain the deception - but it could be the same group dynamics that cause the lie to fall apart.

We shall see.

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blagman wrote:
Charlies the TIT actor who nearly ruined the show by asking awkward questions.



Guess I should have watched it from the start, I didn't know he was a plant :oops: Although after his singing to the laydeez last night it was pretty obvious :D

Reckon it could all fall apart quickly AFD once suspicion starts.

Todays homework is astrophysics and space travel, I know what I'll do..I'll draw a big knob on someone elses work, that'll get me in ::lol::


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I don't know how anyone keeps a straight face when the 'Russians' start talking.They couldnt be more stereotyped ::lol::


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::lol:: It's pure Hollywood, without the scarred faces and briefcases with nuclear bombs inside :D


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Can't believe they are all so gullible so not to do any research into the subject.
They are going to need two capable of piloting the craft so how are they going to get around the flying lessons ?
Then the Zero 'G' flights in that NASA plane.
They can't use the simulator can they else it won't work later ?

To me they are just desperate wannabes without enough brain cells spot the obvious. Anyway it's quite comical to watch but I don't think it'll run much longer as they are already questioning things going by last nights shows. Unless they remove each one in turn as they get too close to the truth.
It would be a shame for them not to go the full length as the impact of just how gullible the have been wouldn't be the same. At this stage they'd just laugh it off but if they got totally fooled it'll be totally different.
An Endemol typical public humiliation in the name of ratings.

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Just watching them (the producers etc) test the simulator.
The have a good Earth view in front of it which is moving which would look effective from the inside.
I'll have to get you some behind the scenes pictures.

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I only need six more posts to reach my 500, so I am just writing a message to say that I am not watching tonights programme, but will catch the repeat tomorrow!!

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Having watched tonight's footage some bits don't add up.
The spacesuit bits where they were introduced to the mock-up jock-strap thingy wasn't part of Saturdays training as I've seen it before.
I can't remember if it's appeared in the show already but it has certainly appeared on the direct link. It might have been Friday I'll have to check.
I have a thought appearing along the lines of a double-hoax but don't have evidence to back it up.

Still like the show but have only watched the direct link rather than CH4/E4 but still get both programs plus the rehearsals and behind the scenes footage. And you do see the program clips before the show is aired.
I will go through the first 4 hours I have on DVD to get some screen shots. I've another 1h40m on the second disc but as it's not a rewritable I can't play it back outside the writer so it'll be another day before anything can be taken from it.

Back to the show content. How are they going to explain a horizontal launch ? All space craft launch in the vertical plane so the Astronauts are on their backs in the seats while they wait for launch. The simulator is Horizontal and although capable of generating some pitch and roll maneuvers cannot be put into a vertical plane. I saw it being tested tonight and it does have quite a bit of lateral movement but they are going to have t do quite a bit of explaining IF they get as far as the simulated launch. Everybody has seen Shuttle launches some have also seen Apollo launches and none including the Russian Shuttle takes off Horizontally unless launched from the back of an adapted plane but then they can't reach orbit as they aren't going fast enough to escape the atmosphere. Even the Scram jet craft only reached Mach 10 which is still too slow.
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C4's Space Cadets at this extremely early stage of the world's most wicked game show, practically nothing (not even disappointing first-night ratings of 2.6 million, resoundingly trounced by ITV1's 7.1m for the I'm A Celebrity ... catch-up show) can persuade me that it is anything other than a once-in-a-lifetime format of awesome brilliance created by a cabal of evil TV geniuses who, in almost equal measures, deserve to be garlanded with giant Christmas bonuses even as they are handed their P45s.

Though, of course, having ratcheted-up the reality-cruelty quotient to new and hitherto unforeseen levels of potential misery, it may also be the show that brings the reality genre to its knees. Indeed, so horribly and brilliantly exploitative is the premise behind the show - persuading nine 'suggestible' (ie gullible and credulous) and 'creative' (but not so creative they're ever likely to be nominated for the Turner) types that they are in Russia being trained for a shuttle mission into near-space, when in fact they will be going nowhere further than Suffolk - that I don't think we can quite imagine the potential fallout when the complex hoax currently being perpetrated for our viewing entertainment is eventually revealed.

Indeed, Endemol (for it is the work of the Big Brothers of Reality telly) might want to be careful trying to sell this humiliating format. Indeed, given the power of the interwebnet-thingy, it might be unsaleable even now, particularly to America, where you couldn't rule out the possibility of an angry contestant making a swift post-show trip to Uzis-R-Us for the purposes of some ratings grabbing revenge.

Whereas Big Brother contestants know that looking like an idiot on the telly is part of the journey towards your very own cover of Heat, the wide-eyed Space Cadets believe they are 'the very first televised British space tourists', as Johnny Vaughan informed the final 12 just before they boarded a plane at Biggin Hill and were flown around the North Sea for four hours before landing in 'Russia' or a disused air base near Ipswich.

If he comes into contact with the cadets again, Vaughan will have to work a bit at quenching his innate smirkability. While announcing to the cadets that they would be embarking on a Buzz Lightyear-style trip to the planet Delusion (OK, he didn't say that), Vaughan let slip a stray smile which, had the crew been slightly less 'suggestible' and 'creative', might have undone all the good work there and then. This fleeting smirklet said, in effect, 'ner-ner ner-ner-NEEER!', though blink and you would have missed it.

Meanwhile, Space Cadets' USP is the fact that the contestants are, thus far, one of the least interesting aspects of the project. For example, throughout Thursday night's show I was completely distracted by the enormous lengths the production team have to go to in order to ensure this illusion remains convincing, while in case it all goes Challenger-shaped, metaphorically-speaking, Vaughan is ever-ready with the get-outs: 'If by some miracle this enterprise manages to hoodwink ...'.

One thinks smugly to oneself: well, if I were there I would question the lack of snow ... (surely for even the dimmest cadet Russia+Winter=Snow?), or marvel at the implausibly stagy kitsch of the Lenin coffee mugs, or the presence of the fictitious (and stuffed) 'Minsky ... the first Russian monkey to return from space', or wonder why a space-base had so many signs Blu Tacked to walls, rather than screwed, and why there were too many pointless bits of rusty equipment in glass cases, and tanks, but no rockets? And why those uniformed men patrol perimeters with Rottweilers, like something out of a Cold War Bond movie ...? But I guess I'm flattering myself - according to Space Cadet Steve, one of the three actor-plants: 'It blew me away. It all looked so plausible. It's fantastic!'

Still, I really might have wondered why the British mission commander had the most implausible CV in military history, allegedly jumping straight from RAF squadron-leading to a post at the 'Space Tourism Agency of Russia eight years ago'. And why, having been at 'STAR' that long, he was reading his welcoming speech from notes, while avoiding any eye-contact.

In fact, I was in the middle of wondering if the poor actor playing the mission commander might, in fact, bring down the whole delicate house of cardskis by being insufficiently Right Stuffish, when my fears were allayed by Space Cadet Charlie, another actor, who started asking tricky questions during a lecture, thus forcing the commander to improvise with the brilliant: 'Pluto is about to be declassified as a planet.'

Later, in the video diary room, Right-Charlie apologised: 'I forgot that it wasn't real for a moment. I think I thought I was a trainee astronaut ...' which must have had the Endemol and C4 evil geniuses cackling with hysterical glee. When your employees start falling for the con there is every chance of Carrying On Convincing the unsuspecting cadets, even when it comes to deploying that balsa-wood shuttle and some IMAX-ed inner-space.

Obviously, I hope they do, and that come Friday, when all is revealed, handing out a few cheques for 25 grand will stave off a punch-up. Were I one of the cadets I might be just a teensy bit annoyed with, say, the person who has the job of bringing everybody down to earth without too much of a bump. I just hope Vaughan's insurance covers it. observer


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Hey Mr Observer hack, you've been reading my posts about it ::lol::


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