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I saw today at the first time live Hummer H2 at my area. It was fun to follow how the males heads turned and their eyes stared at that car in the middle of the city ::lol:: ( :oops: ok, ok - I must admit that I did watch it too, because I drove behind it in the traffic :oops: )

Do you have something else to tell us about it, Cameron - all I know at this far is that Arnold Schwarzenegger has got one?


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Cool pic, Mari A - thanks for that. One thing I am surprised about is that the Hummers don't feature in the following list. (although they might come under the title in green).

Personally, I think the Hummers are beasts (I mean it in a good way), even the "little" H2. Never having driven one, I can't comment on the dynamics of it but I would love to!

To be honest, I don't think the following "Top Ten" is all that fair - I think something like "Top 10 gas guzzlers selling over 500 units a year in the UK" would give us a clearer picture.

The Chancellor Gordon Brown has announced a new higher rate Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) for the most polluting vehicles, a move many believe is aimed at owners of 4x4s. But are the least fuel efficient cars on our roads really off-roaders? Based on official statistics from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), here are the cars that should really be the target of green ire. Note that some manufacturers do not provide official fuel figures at all, so are not included. What’s most striking is that none of the top ten cars are SUVs. Indeed, you need to go down to 14th place to discover the first 4x4 in the shape of the Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon 4.7 V8 Automatic (17.3 mpg) closely followed by the Range Rover V8 Supercharged Vogue SE (17.7 mpg) [ :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( ] and Range Rover Sport 4.2 V8 Supercharged (17.8 mpg). In case you’re wondering why the Maybach and Rolls-Royce Phantom aren’t in the top ten, it’s because they’re far more economical than you might assume, recording 16.4 and 17.8 mpg respectively.

1. Ferrari Superamerica
12.97 mpg

There’s a certain poetic justice to the fact that the UK’s worst fuel figures are recorded by a car named after the continent where 'gas mileage' is a novel new concept.


2. Lamborghini Murcielago
13.2 mpg

Being low and sleek might be an advantage, but advanced aerodynamics don’t do much for the Murcielago’s mpg figures.


3. Cadillac XLR 4.6 V8
13.2 mpg

Few things sound as evocative as an all-American V8 engine at full throttle. Few things will empty your bank account as quickly, too.


4. Dodge SRT-10 (Viper)
13.3 mpg

As any athlete will tell you, muscles require energy. That energy comes from fuel. Hence a car with as much muscle as the Dodge SRT-10 requires a heck of a lot of gasoline to get it flexing.

5. Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
13.6 mpg

Compared to the Superamerica, the 'Scag' as it is known, is positively thrifty. Compared to anything else, it’s still outrageously wasteful.

6. Bentley Arnage
13.7 mpg

Many might suspect the Bentley to be the worst offender of all, but this huge, heavy luxury model fares rather better than many lightweight sports specialists. And it’s got more class.

7. Lamborghini Gallardo
14.5 mpg

Adding to the strong Italian flavour of the top ten gas guzzlers is the Gallardo, even though much of the engineering comes courtesy of German owners, Audi. No chance of a nice diesel-powered version, is there?

8. Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
14.8 mpg

Merc’s supercar powers into the top ten unable to scrape together 15 miles between gallons. But with looks this striking we’re almost able to forgive it anything.

9. Ferrari F430
15.4 mpg

Dominating the top 10, Ferrari’s third model is its oldest, yet manages to be rather more economical than its newer siblings.

10. Porsche Carrera GT
15.9 mpg

Porsche’s only top ten model comes with a caveat. The range-topping GT3 is probably even less economical, but as if to maintain its modesty, Porsche doesn’t quote its fuel figures.


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And it does in fact feature in this list Mari A - here you go...

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Cars owned by Billionaires!
By Nate Chapnick, ForbesAutos.com

If your pockets were as deep as Bill Gates’ what would you drive? A new Porsche or a seven-year-old one?

Now we give you a look at the cars driven by the billionaires on the 2006 list. The cars and trucks driven by those in the Top 10 of the 2006 Forbes list was, in short, shocking. You won’t find a Bugatti, Ferrari or BMW driven by these billionaires. But you will find a Lincoln, a Mazda, even a Dodge and Ford. It seems that for the super-rich, a vehicle is seen not as a status symbol, but as a means to an end in which to get from point A to point B. Status is something that these billionaires need not prove to others. In many cases, the people on our list prefer to live inconspicuously, avoiding the limelight at all costs. This might explain why many of their vehicles cost less than your own daily driver.

10. Steve Ballmer - $13.6 billion – Lincoln Continental
Steve Ballmer is the Chief Executive of Microsoft, the owner and publisher of MSN Cars. He grew up in the US's motoring capital, Detroit. With oil running through his veins, one might assume that Ballmer would have a fleet of Ferraris, Porsches and Rolls-Royces. Wrong. Ballmer stays true to his Detroit roots by driving a 1998 Lincoln Continental. Though more sporty than Warren Buffet’s Lincoln Town Car (see below), Ballmer’s maroon Lincoln Continental is no red Ferrari. On the horizon: a Lincoln Zephyr, but expect Ballmer to pile on at least another 10,000 miles first.


9. Alice Walton - $15.7 billion – Ford F-150 King Ranch
Alice Walton lives in Texas on her ranch, and is the daughter of Sam Walton, the founder of the vast Wal-Mart retailing empire...


8. Jim Walton - $15.9 billion - Dodge Dakota
Growing up, Jim Walton worked for his Dad Sam at Wal-Mart sweeping stores and stocking shelves...


7. Larry Ellison - $16 billion – Bentley Continental Flying Spur
The founder of the Oracle software firm Larry Ellison does not shy from the limelight like some other billionaires on the list...


6. Michael Dell - $17.1 billion – Hummer H2
The King of the personal computer, Michael Dell’s empire has allowed him to create a life of luxury. On sunny days in Austin, Texas, Dell can be seen sans top in his 2004 Porsche Boxster. But when the weather turns nasty, Dell enjoys the comfort and security of his latest toy: a 2005 Hummer H2 SUV.


5. Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud - $20 billion – Rolls-Royce Phantom
As the nephew of Saudi King Abdullah, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud is no stranger to the finer things in life...

4. Paul Allen - $22 billion – Porsche 959
When not sitting at the captain’s chair of his 413-foot yacht, Octopus, Microsoft co-founder Allen can be found cruising the autobahn in his 1988 Porsche 959 Coupe. Originally, Allen planned to drive his Porsche on American soil, but stringent emissions standards and crash-test ratings kept his and Bill Gates’ 959s impounded in customs. Frustrated, Allen gave up and decided to ship his 959 back to Europe, where he enjoys driving it today. When he is in Seattle, Allen has a 1988 Mazda B-Series Pickup that he uses to get around.


3. Ingvar Kamprad - $28 billion – Volvo 240 GL (1993)
Founder of the Swedish furniture and home goods company IKEA, Ingvar Kamprad is the proud owner of a 13-year-old Volvo 240 GL...


2. Warren Buffett - $42 billion – Lincoln Town Car Signature
With a license plate that reads "THRIFTY," it could belong to no other than billionaire investor Warren Buffett...


1. Bill Gates - $50 billion – Porsche 911 Convertible (996)
Bill Gates is the founder and chairman of Microsoft, the owner and publisher of MSN Cars. He vents his software stress behind the wheel of two Porsches. His daily drive, a 1999 Porsche 911 Convertible is ripe for replacement, especially considering that Porsche has totally redesigned the latest 911, the 997, for 2005. Now, after waiting some 10 years, Gates can finally enjoy his other favorite Porsche: a rare (1 of 230) 1988 Porsche 959 Coupe. In fact, due to the 959’s questionable emissions and unknown crash ratings, it took a federal law signed by President Clinton for Bill Gates to legally drive his 959 on American roads. Rumour has it that Bill Gates and Paul Allen employed Microsoft engineers to write a computer program that could simulate the 959’s crashworthiness, which helped in the bill’s passage.


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:D Thanks for the interesting information!

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Current car obsession... people carriers! I was in an amazing one last night (I always manage to get lifts home from people with cool cars, there have been three recently that I was overly impressed by) and it just had all these cool mod cons! There were seat warmers, it moved the seats to the memory of how the specific person wanted it set, a fridge etc etc etc!

Maybe that isn't anything special but I thought it was fabulous!

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hee hee - when I test drove my Beetle me and my friend couldn't work out why the front seats were so hot and then discovered the seat warming facility was on nearly all the way up... :oops:
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I have a seat warming facility (which works) in my car. What a blessing it's been on the cold wintery mornings.......

always a laugh to turn them on for unsuspecting passengers though ;)

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If depreciation drives you mad, if the credit card bills are biting or if you simply don’t believe in spending much on cars, read on! Rather than despairing in the classifieds, rejoice by owning one of these top 10 stars.


Ford Mondeo
The car Jackie Stewart helped develop was a car Ford had to get right. Before it, the company had been stung by fierce criticism of the 1990 Escort, a model mediocre in every way. With the Mondeo, Ford set out its stall as mainstream dynamic masters, a mantle it holds to this day. Costing $6 billion to develop, it was not outstanding to look at even when new. But the interior is solid, engines bulletproof and, even now, the car’s handling and ride excellence shine through. For £250 for an early 1.8 LX, you’ll rarely pay less for a three-times Formula One Champion-developed car. Don’t overlook it; such Mondeos are utter bargains.


Nissan Primera
More people buy X-Trails than Primeras nowadays, but back in the early ‘90s, it was a little more in demand. Quite rightly so; the British-built 2.0-litre models were crackers, with a powerful engine and a dynamic handling balance that was eons ahead of the boring Bluebird it replaced. Note, we say 2.0-litre models though; 1.6-litre models, with their smaller tyres and less-focussed suspension, are best left to the minicab drivers. Look for an SLX in red or a dark metallic, and you’ve arguably the first convincing ‘Europeanised’ sporty Japanese family car, displaying all the inherent reliability of cars from the Far East. Despite actually coming from Sunderland.


Citroen Xantia
Buy a C6, blink, and what it’s cost you in depreciation could buy you a perfectly passable Citroen Xantia. Why would you want to? For its understated but very well-proportioned lines, its reluctance to rust and, above all, its top-drawer ride quality. Like the C6, Xantias employ hydropneumatic suspension with an ability to smother even the most liberal of French roads. Turn up the stereo to drown the trim rattles and you could almost be in a Jaguar. Don’t be tempted by VSX models with ‘Hydractive II’ systems though. More electronic control cuts queasiness in cornering but introduces more to go wrong, too. It often does. For £250, you’re best off buying a 1.8 LX sitting back and enjoying comfort you wouldn’t credit for so little.


Fiat Cinquecento
Ah, the modern reinterpretation of the original 500. Not quite as famous, but still a bit of a star when it was launched in 1993. Micro-sized but still able to seat four, its upright style and flat sides gave it designer-utilitarian style that was equally at home in Turin or Tunbridge Wells. Galvanised panels means they don’t rust either. The tiny 900cc engine provides meagre power but is willing, and thrashing the nuts of it is all part of its frenetic, Italianate charm. It really does cost pennies to run too, with minimal fuel bills and very low insurance ratings. Who needs a smart, when this is almost as compact yet packs in two extra mates, too?


VW Golf MkII
We’ll probably always see MkII Golfs on our roads. They’re tough as old boots – even mad-cap becapped boy racers with max’d GTis seem unable to destroy them. For our minuscule budget, we’d look for a more prosaic 1.6 CL five door though. More likely to have been driven carefully, it comes not swimming in equipment but with the bank vault feel you’d expect of a VW. It’s sweet to drive, high-set seats are firmly comfortable and it’s even quite good fun through corners. They don’t make them like this any more, but you needn’t worry – they’ll always be found in the classifieds! However, be prepared, if you find a late ‘big bumper’ model, to possibly having your bumpers stolen…


Audi 80
The 80 comes from an era when Audi was pursuing its clean, smooth aero look to perfection. The 80 is perhaps the most satisfying manifestation of this, with lines that still look contemporary today, despite it being launched in 1986. The interior still pleases too, with solid plastics and red instrument lighting that oozes class. However, don’t expect loads of kit for so little – some don’t even feature a rev counter! And it’s no lightweight, so rev the 1.6-litre and 1.8-litre engines you will have to do. Handling also isn’t as composed as you’d expect, but choose a light metallic and you have a premium-looking car for a pittance.


MG Metro
Are we completely insane? Maybe… but get past the Metro moniker and those with experience of the original Mini Cooper may just see where we’re coming from. The Metro, when it was launched in 1980, drew heavily from the original Mini’s underpinnings, including its suspension. So equipped, the Metro may ride appallingly but handles with real kart-like flair and steers superbly. Feedback is fantastic and the gloriously over-specced brake system is another bright spot. Sure, the 1,275cc engine isn’t remotely refined but it’s torquey and even your gran could fix it. Fid a rust-free late ‘80s model in British Racing Green, and you could just have a classic on your hands - though your mates won’t be laughing on the other side of their faces just yet.


Volvo 740
Company chief executives used to swan around in Volvo 740s back in the 1980s. For the stressed company boss still reeling from Black Monday, the comfort of his top-spec 740 purchased in the good times soothed comfortingly. The thought of its comfortable heated seats still bring a tear to his eye, the way a pretty unspectacular 2.3-litre four-pot still managed to cruise with refinement will evoke happy memories. What’s more, so impossible to destroy are Volvos, you can now bring back the ‘80s with a big old barge of your own. Live-axle rear-drive handling is hilarious and that chrome grille is classy enough to make £250 look like a steal. A sure-fire investment.


Vauxhall Omega
Vauxhall left the large saloon market not because its offerings were bad, but because it lacked the desirable badge of German rivals. In many ways, the Omega was a fair match for poverty-spec BMW 5-Series, not least because of its entertaining, well-sorted rear-drive handling. The styling was oval-tastic and the dashboard was Fisher-Price, but engines were sprightly, even the 2.0-litre four-pot most commonly found for £250. Most at this level are GLS spec and lack air con, but otherwise do a good job of impersonating slightly baggy executive-line transport. And if you get bored, respray it white and see how many 318i drivers you can terrify on the motorway.


Peugeot 205
In many ways this is the car of the ‘80s. Impossibly well-proportioned and a peach to drive, it was a delight at any price – even 1.1-litre models gave enjoyment far beyond their means. Most were basic but it didn’t seem to matter as there was so much else to enjoy, not least a rare blend of entertaining handling and great ride. Even Peugeot thought it irreplaceable, so didn’t do so directly for fifteen years, when the 206 finally came along. Today, it’s easy to overlook as many are firmly in the domain of bangerdom, but the magic still shines through and surprising integrity means they’re good for well over 100,000 miles. They rarely seem to rust, either. We’d look for a 1.4-litre petrol; not only cheap to buy, but you’ll spend pennies running it, too.


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always a laugh to turn them on for unsuspecting passengers though ;)

Agree totally. ::lol::

Had an apology once from a rather embarassed friend - who did not even consider the heat was coming from the seat. :-?

I'm puzzled why 0 - 62mph?.....and not say 0 - 60???? Seems an odd (but even :-?) number.

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MG Metro
Are we completely insane? Maybe… but get past the Metro moniker and those with experience of the original Mini Cooper may just see where we’re coming from. The Metro, when it was launched in 1980, drew heavily from the original Mini’s underpinnings, including its suspension. So equipped, the Metro may ride appallingly but handles with real kart-like flair and steers superbly. Feedback is fantastic and the gloriously over-specced brake system is another bright spot. Sure, the 1,275cc engine isn’t remotely refined but it’s torquey and even your gran could fix it. Fid a rust-free late ‘80s model in British Racing Green, and you could just have a classic on your hands - though your mates won’t be laughing on the other side of their faces just yet.


A rust free early Metro ? I'd say that was impossible. I seem to remember that was a problem with all the early cars where they all got tin-worm no matter how well you looked after them.

The standard (non MG) handling was dreadful with the Hydrolastics bouncing all over the place. The pitching under very heavy breaking would remove the weight from the front-end causing it to slide !
Now saying that we had a real play with a 998 Metro off road on concrete / tarmac and it's amazing how hard you can throw one into a turn without and feeling that it might roll. You might have the front-end slide and the wheels almost on their rims but you don't get that feeling of impending doom.

Had the loan of a 1275 Vanden plas once with an Autobox. Every extra fitted walnut dash but the Autobox made in uneconomical to drive returning on a good day low 20MPG.

Now the MG. Bought one for £85 with recon Engine/Gearbox with less than 10000miles. Have to say it handled much better had a very torquey engine that was responsive. I ran it with a KN filter which gave it a nice induction bark.

The high spec brakes originally only appeared on the hi-spec models like the turbo but by the end all models had vented 4-pot brakes though you needed a machine shop if you intended to use them on a Mini.
But the engines found their way into many Minis.
I fitted mine to a Mini I bought minus it's engine.

A combination of the clutch actuators (Mini & Metro) gave it a very short pedal. Metro Oil cooler was replaced with a proper one (not water cooled) again KN cone filter ,LCB ,Single box exhaust and you have a very quick Mini. And cheap insurance. Group 5 for an 80ish BHP Mini. Disc breaks are a must as drums won't spot you and no self-respecting insurance company will go near you if you don't have either the 8.4 inch standard fit disc for the 12inch wheels or either the 7 inch or 7.5 inch discs from the original Cooper or Cooper S.

Most converted Minis you see have outrageous 13inch wheels but if you can find 6 x 12 Wheels and some decent rubber Faulkner or Yokohama come to mind then they will out perform most of the 13 inch set-ups.
Avo adjustable Gas all round is also good along with Group A tie bars ,Poly bushes etc.

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How much does the gasoline cost at the moment in the UK as £'s?

Over here Filling Stations are going to rise their prices next week and at the moment (it depends where your location is) gasoline costs over here average about (95 octane) 1.29 €/litre. That sum would be terribly high if we still were using Finnish Marks (7.67Fmk/litre) over here and customers wouldn't pay that much. :-? But because prices are nowadays as €'s, people has become blind to any prices.

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Yesterday I paid 90.9 Pence/litre (1.30 €)for standard unleaded.

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:D Thanks, larry! I was really suprised how similar price that is!Image

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I used XE.com for the conversion.
The UK is usually the highest priced when it comes to Petrol ,in fact fuel in general. So it's is supprising how close the figures are.

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Every day is a pink orientated day but yesterday was a pink CAR orientated day! Oh wow. Well saw the pink limo that there are details of in the BB4 section but before that :eek: in a newspaper saw a beautiful picture of a PINK Nissan Micra. It is stunning and I mean stunning! I even cut the picture out :oops: ::lol::

My friend gave me into trouble today as he was like "for goodness sake Jessica... you're OBSESSED! For one it's a Nissan Micra, secondly it's pink and thirdly it's a NISSAN MICRA!!!" He concluded that it was the worst car/colour combination that you could come across... to be honest it wasn't the car that I was bothered about :angel:

Oh, then later on was informed that you can now purchase pink Smart cars. Shall be in the look out :angel:

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