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Katie gave birth to a babygirl yesterday! The story doesn't tell if Tom's got his belly full of placenta now, nor if Katie kept quiet...

Did no one else see the interview where Cruise poo poo`d all the tabloid dross about eating the thingy etc and saying that the place of birth is to be silent while she gives birth not her be quiet .... however i did think he left out the bit where ET was going to be the midwife ... ah the church of scientology, truely the choice of the sane celeb money overloaded loonie

Going badly OT; Honestly I don't believe most of the stuff I read in the tabloids. It's fun to slag off weird celebs, well, not them really, but the images the tabloids create of them and how they portray themselves in the media. It's sad that people get these two mixed up and think they actually know these people, when really none of us have a clue unless we really know someone we read about.

The debate on wether or not these people should be pursued by paparazzis and their "lives" spread out in the open for everyone to read, is on going. I admit to reading tabloids for entertainment, but I don't take anything I read by heart. The truth is we have no idea wether or not what we read is true, and for me it doesn't make much of a difference. Actually I hope most of it is rubbish, since the stories are usually less than admirable. But I also respect the fact that evil rumours can ruin people's lifes and I for one wouldn't want my divorce/illness/new relationship/what ever crisis to be followed by the world. So in a way I'm supporting double standard here. Maybe everyone should be left alone, but if they were, what would I read while in the loo?

They've called the baby (a girl) Suri, which means either princess or red rose.

or isnt that Dog in aboriginal thats what the crodile hunter steve urwin whats his faces calls his dog.. it was supposed to be ironic ...

A baby girl for Tom and Katie!
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s the moment we’ve all been waiting for. After weeks of waddling round the shops of Los Angeles, looking like the side of a bus (and we mean that in the nicest possible way, you understand), Katie Holmes finally gave birth to a baby girl yesterday. A joint statement from Katie and fiancé Tom Cruise reads: “Tom and Katie joyously welcomed the arrival of a baby girl, Suri, today."

Need more details? Hell, of course you do. The former Dawson’s Creek actress gave birth at St John’s Hospital, Santa Monica – and little Suri weighed in at a respectable 7lb 7oz. As you may recall, Tom had been keen for Katie to have the baby in their Beverly Hills mansion – and rumours were rife that she’d be expected to remain quiet during the birth, in accordance with Scientology teachings.

So far, the couple have not confirmed the reasons behind the change of venue for the birth – although we imagine it could be something to do with the plethora of medical stuff and equipment available in hospitals. But we do know from their “people” that: “Both mother and daughter are doing well.”

Just click here Suri – which, fact fans will be fascinated to learn, is Hebrew for “princess” – is 27-year-old Katie’s first child. Tom already has two adopted children, Connor and Isabella, from his marriage to Nicole Kidman. The happy couple now plan to wed later in the summer, once Tom has completed the pesky publicity tour for his new film Mission: Impossible III. Hmmm… we wonder if we’ll get our first peek of Suri on the red carpet at one of the movie’s premieres? Stranger things have happened…

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Suri also means pointy nose and (in Japanese) pickpocket.

Suri means in Finnish in the 3rd person and in the past tense that
"(s)he did grieve"

Suri means in Northern "Posh place down south full of London types"

Down here, (with an added L) it means 'runny cow dung'

Abso-feckin'-lutely. (sorry Jim) ....it's all natural. I think most of my vitriol was directed towards the poor unfortunate midwife...once I'd deduced that she'd never had a child, I let rip...'how the hell do you know what it feels like?' etc....but I did apologise afterwards. Although it's only fair to have a pop at the man - both parties are equal at the time of conception, but heck, it doesn't seem fair that the men don't share the labour pains.







Victims of religion? Maybe...but aren't any of us, who practice any religion? Yes, the Scientologists seem to have some odd ways, but to be fair, I think the same accusation could be directed towards most religions.

Mari, I did my best to subscribe to all that 'making certain voices does help a human being to deal with for example pain'....I even read books about imagining I was a flower, opening up in the sunshine. I tried the breathing, and all the lovely thoughts....but when push came to shove (literally), I concluded that 'It's bloody torture'. So I'm afraid that when I had my second child, I made sure that I had none of that 'natural' stuff. I opted for an epidural, and I'm sorry, but concluded that it was indeed 'civilised'.

If 'natural' works for you, women, then that's great...but it's a lucky woman who finds that breathing, or making certain voices conquers the pain.

It (usually) hurts (a lot)...but medical science can alleviate the pain.

So much for me being an earth mother. I did it once....once was enough.

Anyway...congratulations to Katie, and Tom, as I'm sure they are reading this.

Yeah, my sister practised hypnosis with her son's father (a licenced therapist) during her labour, you know; "the red ball of pain reduces to a blue ball of comfort" and all that crap. She said it worked on the early stages, but at the point where it all gets dark and really horrible, the red ball just exploded

I got an epidural during both of my labours, and still struggled to keep concious due to the amount of pain. "Organic" labour? Not for me thank you. I don't feel any less of a woman or a mother having used painkillers during my labour, I've done my time as much as anyone. I'm glad I stayed somewhat concious to remember it all.

As for the "victims of religion", I agree with you GG. I have faith in many things, most of all I believe in humanity and the good that lies in everyone of us (except for my sister's ex-boyfriend ). Any religion that starts giving specific instructions like "give birth in silence and don't talk to the baby for a week, oh, and please make a huge donation to the church" is bogus imo. Faith is something that lies inside oneself, it doesn't take a huge sum of money to believe in something. Money can't buy redemption, forgiveness and love. In another hand, everyone may live their lives as they wish as long as they don't hurt others, and if beeing a scientologist or what ever makes a person happy and content, by all means, go for it. I can imagine there are crazier things in life.

People have their own basic values of their lives. But there are certain signs that everybody should know for their own security - a religion can be a hobby, money, material stuff, cars, certain friends etc. A human being can make with certain formal almost anything to be a "religion". Politics as well. So critisism is always welcome.

Making certain natural voices helps to deal with pain, but doesn't remove away the pain that a woman come across during the labour. And I really mean "natural voices" - not a meditating humming at all - not so called shouting or screaming at all! For me it was the pain that helped me to concentrate what was really going on in my body during the labour and which state the child was coming through (and I did have a debate over that even with my midwife too, who had to understood finally that she was wrong about what my sensory nerves could told me during the process) - not any alternative stuff like thinking about flowers or red balls. But the pain is that bad that I wouldn't wish that kind of pain even to my worst enemy. I knew that the medical staff was there for me and the baby during the labour but in the stage where I thought to have some painkillers, it was too late to have them and after that it didn't last long at all to hold my newborn baby in my arms! So I just had to deal simply with my deliveries without painkillers because of my own stubbornes of my own choice. A choice that I have made at this far twice. And I think that I'll do that choice again if I'll be pregnant again someday. I think that every single mother should have their own choices and decisions how they want to do the labour and what kind of painkillers and help they need or not. After all - it's her body! (I'm sorry fathers and males who wants to be a father some day - but you shouldn't have any chances to say your opinion over the subject like Mr. Cruise wanted to do with his Scientologist friends - but you should respect mothers in every possible ways and their free will) as long as the babys health isn't on danger. My hb has been with me physically both times and he has helped me a lot during the labour as he has done during the pregnancies as well and growing our children up together.