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I always think that BBLB shows better clips for highlights than Davina shows at the actual interviews.



Yes I noticed that too.



Yes, Carole came across quite nice I thought and at least she seems to know what her faults in the house were.

John what did you think about the bits where it showed all the girls who 'fancied' Brian and were congratulating him on his win. Dermot said he had been waiting all series to show him that clip.

Mmmm I have pretty much the same opinion you expressed in an earlier message.

Seriously, you have to ask yourself if any self-respecting actress is really going to fancy some slobbering kid from the arse end of Essex? Obviously, a BBLB crew were sent out to where-ever it is that soap stars live and asked to record a piece specifically about/for Brian. So these clips are nothing more than just another one of the "We're rooting for Brian" moments that have infested BBLB this year.

What might have been more interesting... BBLB could have 'asked' those very same second-rate actresses which HMs they might have fancied. I'm sure few would have said Brian to be frank with you.

I'll tell you what does really trouble me though... Brian made it a point to discuss the soap stars from popular shows and particularly those on C4. It strikes me that Brian either accidentally or by design set a trap that BBLB/BB just couldn't resist. It was too easy for them to pick up their little black books and phone people already in their professional circle of contacts and ask for a favour.

Not sure what to think of the 'congratulations' at the moment. These clips might have been filmed in advance but in a way that they could be cut/edited if Brian didn't win. A few may have been filmed Saturday even? The real issue isn't so much what was said but that so many of them had cameras pointed at them. Where for example were the numerous clips of famous protesters for Carole? Or the clips of twins from across the country praising Sam & Amanda? Or the famous ravers or music event organisers who were 'Avin it for Tracey etc?

Brian's genius (if one is at work) was to associate himself with several very popular cultural and youth centric spheres, like music, tv and soaps. This (and his clowning around) provided BBLB with a steady stream of easy hooks from which they could construct a 'package' for broadcast... essentially, its lazy TV making.

In my opinion, Brian would not have won based on the Live Feed output. I also doubt the extra coverage he received on the HL Shows would have been enough to convince the public (although it would have been in the balance). I am though certain that without the almost unswerving support he got each and every day for the last 5 weeks on BBLB he would not now be the BB8 winner. For that, C4 should be asking themselves some tough questions over the next few days.

despite being a previous big fan of Brian, I have to say I agree with you on this point. Over the final 2/3 weeks of BB I went off Brian in a big way and couldn't see what the fuss was about. He is a nice guy, but like Liam he didn't actually do anything in the house (okay neither did the twins, but I still liked them throughout)

I think if Dermot hadn't gone on about Brian being the best thing since sliced bread, we could have had a different winner.

I don't begrudge Brian his win, but I can't say I'm that bothered. Friday night's final show was the dullest one of all 8 series, the only shock for me was Jonty finishing 6th. Despite the slating it still gets BB4 was miles more fun than the tailend of this year's BB

That kind of thing really fascinates me. I wonder if it was deliberate, in the sense that he thought it would have a knock-on effect, or if it's the natural level of his smalltalk.

I remember in the BB4 final, Davina saying that they were going to show a clip of a woman I really admired but who couldn't be there. I had no idea who she meant, and it stunned me (in a good way) to see Ellen MacArthur on the screen, sending her congratulations. Apparently, I had spoken about EM during the series but I had little recollection of doing so. What makes me question whether Brian's chat was deliberate is that people often say things like, "Haha - do you remember on day 55 you were sitting in the garden chatting to Scott about X, Y or Z - it was the funniest thing..." Obviously, day 55 has no relevance to me personally, but to a HLs viewer it might. Rarely do I remember specifics about what people ask in connection with the point above. If I'd made a conscious effort to mention Ellen MacArthur in the hope of some support, I would have a conscience about it!

The other side to that is, I was quite au fait with the rules and knew we weren't meant to mention product names etc. We could easily have spoken about our favourite cars, bands, airlines, in fact anything that could have led to 'deals' etc., but we tended not to.

Funny eh. As you know John, I'm not disagreeing - just musing about how my own experience relates to Brian's.

I think the difference here Cameron is that you mentioning one person whom you admire, who is in no way related to Big Brother or C4 in one or two conversations, is completely different to Brian's regular references to Hollyoaks. He admitted himself that he taped every single BB, BBLB and BBBM since the series began. He probably has studied them lots of times, I think the Hollyoaks references were all connected to his game plan. I don't even mind him having a game plan, I guess what I didn't like was the falseness, the pretending that he didn't have a game plan, pretending that he was being himself, pretending he was stupid. He wasn't stupid, he won, with a lot of help from BBLB.

Please... muse away. Your insight is always so valuable Cameron.

But yes, this is the problem I'm having with understanding Brian. I'm sure, if we're to believe he's just a simple Essex boy, that his field of interests are rather small... due not only to limited life experiences but also because of his self declared telly addiction. In fairness to him, he clearly recognised these people when Dermot showed him the VT so he's evidently not winging it entirely. But I still puzzle about his need for incessent name dropping and over discussion about things BB related?

In truth I've been thinking to myself what I'd possibly spend 3 months talking about... probably travel if I were truly being myself. But would I as a game player perhaps consider the smart move of talking about lesser TV celebs rather than A'List Hollywood types knowing that BBLB etc could make something from the more easily accessable local 'stars'? Or in the case of travel, would I weigh the options of idly chattering about some exotic location in the hope of an all-expenses paid assignment after BB or talk about Benidorm so as not to alienate the voting public?

I'd forgotten the Ellen MacArthur incident... I remember picking up (and holding a discussion somewhere) about your surprised reaction. For the record (and from memory) I was defending and explaining your reaction.

Come to think of it, I also think I've mentioned her name on here recently too - I hate my brain, I remember everything except why I remember it.

Oooops malfunctioning brain

It was Ellie who mentioned Ellen MacArthur. Easy mistake, people often confuse the two of us.

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Pleased I found that thread though... I need to retrive my life at some point

Yeah, Carole and Liam came across as being really nice in the reunion show - and Charley was sooo quiet, just sitting there looking pretty for most of the show.

I'm sure anyone who only watched them (and Brian) on the reunion show would wonder how the likes of Brian won over them.

Let's not forget, all the reasons Carole was one of the most hated BB hms ever for the way she behaved over a 3 month period in the BB house - her being 'nice' (as they all were) on the reunion show doesn't exonorate her in my eyes. Carole got away with the biggest crime of any TV show - she sucked the life out of the contestants and the show itself. to reward her for that would be to compound a felony.IMO

My sentiments entirely Geena, as for the twins I think they were the rightful winner because depite caroles control they remained happy and cheerful and lively all through the series a real credit as without them I feel the show would have died weeks ago. They kept the spirits and the movement of the show up. Brian on the other hand did absolutely nothing to add to the proceedings I believe he was bbs chosen one they wanted a black winner and now have one. To the detriment of the programme the twins for entertainment value should have rum away with it given unbiased editing and dermots Brian show.