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Is there evidence that the children were sedated though?

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Is there evidence that the children were sedated though?


Well, they said there were traces of a sedative at the apartment, but I imagine there must be lots of people who have stayed in that apartment, so it could be anybody's, plus how do we know who to believe? The Portuguese Police should have inspected the apartment more fully at the time of the disappearance. They are to blame for all of this dragging on so long.

I seriously can't think that the McCanns would have made so much of this, if they had done it themselves. They must be going through absolute hell. What a terrible holiday!


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I wouldn't have thought someone who was 'mentally unbalanced' would be allowed to be a Doctor.



Are there regular 'fitness to practice' assessments done on doctors? I don't think so.

I'm not commenting on the McCanns at all. It's just that I think it's likely that doctors are at least, if not more, likely to be susceptible to mental illness, alcoholism, etc, as anyone else.

'Physician heal thyself' and all that.

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I wonder what kind of sedative this was. A doctor once gave me phenagan (not sure of the spelling) to sedate my children on a flight. He told me it was widely used, but to try it out a week before the flight to see if it worked as it made some children more hyperactive. He also told me to use it any other time I needed it as it did help to settle children to sleep. I didn't use it, as it did send my daughter a bit hyper, so I chucked it in the bin, but I do know that Calpol is a bit of a sedative, helps get kids to sleep, helps settle them even if they haven't got a fever.

It sounds too me like a lot of circumstantial evidence is being used here and I hope that there is firm evidence to either back it up or discount it very soon.

One of the dangers of this is that, if the parents are innocent but the Police spend all their time trying to frame them but never actually manage to, this will hang over the parents for the rest of their lives. Bad enough having to deal with the loss of their child, without having everyone always pointing the finger at them also.

My gut instinct is that they are completly innocent. The whole campaign they started seems to indicate that they had no idea what happened to Madeline. I just can't see parents going on this crazy campaign and refusing to leave Portugal whilst they thought there was a chance of finding her alive, if they knew that she was already dead.

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McCanns to fly home amid fear of charges


Ned Temko and Mark Townsend in Portimao


Kate and Gerry McCann were due to fly home to Britain this morning amid mounting speculation that they were involved in the disappearance and possible death of their daughter, Madeleine.

It is believed the McCanns fear they could be charged with their daughter's death after they were named as official suspects this week by Portuguese police. But sources close to the investigation told The Observer that DNA evidence that led to the couple being considered suspects was incomplete and not a perfect match to their daughter.


Although evidence from blood found on the floor of the family's holiday flat was said to be 'very strong', it was not conclusive.

The first authoritative account of the sudden change of direction in the search for the missing four-year-old came last night from a senior source who is close to both the British and Portuguese police teams.

In a dramatic sign of the growing tension surrounding the fast-moving investigation, it also emerged that family and friends of the McCanns were in contact with the Foreign Office in the hope of securing support from the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband.

The McCanns spoke to Miliband a month ago, and family sources said he had been 'very supportive'. Now, they are hoping he might help head off any decision to lay charges against the McCanns on the basis of what one relative branded as 'repulsive' suggestions they were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

Revealing the details behind the decision to shift the focus of the investigation onto the McCanns, the source said that in addition to the blood at the holiday flat, DNA evidence had been found in a car rented by the McCanns more than two weeks after Madeleine went missing.

He said that while both samples had matched Madeleine's DNA, since they had degraded over time, this was based on an incomplete picture - only 15 of the available 20 genetic markers usually used for such analysis were found: 'Nineteen out of 20 is what we consider conclusive. In this case, they could extract only 15 - but all of the 15 exactly matched Madeleine's DNA.' He also dismissed as 'simply wrong' recent media reports that blood had been found in the car.

He said the Portuguese police were taking the sample recovered from the flat seriously - in part because of 'contradictions and changes' in the accounts given by the McCanns and their friends of what happened the night Madeleine disappeared.

It was the arrival last week of the DNA test results from Britain's Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham that prompted Portuguese police to call in the girl's parents for questioning - and the decision, confirmed yesterday morning, to name both of them as arguidos, or formal suspects.

The source said the DNA from the rental car had come from the interior of the vehicle and not from blood. Given the passage of time, it 'could have come from any item, [such as] clothing, which Madeleine had contact with before she went missing'.

But the key sample, he said, came from blood found in the flat where the family was staying at the Mark Warner resort in Praia da Luz. 'It was a small quantity and was found on the floor, which had been washed a number of times since Madeleine's disappearance,' he said.

The source added that it was the 'very strong' probability from the DNA results of a direct match with Madeleine that convinced police to put 'detailed and specific questions' to her parents'. Their answers 'did not provide a satisfactory explanation, which is why it became virtually inevitable under the Portuguese legal system that they would be named arguidos before further questioning'.

Amid the shock of the shift in the investigation and alarm over the possibility of formal charges, the McCanns' family and closest friends yesterday rallied in support. One friend, describing the 'ordeal' of hours of police questioning on Friday and Saturday, remarked last night: 'They did not give Portuguese police the satisfaction of crying.'

Kate McCann's uncle, Brian Kennedy, said: 'We still say as a family and friends that this suggestion that in some way they were responsible for the death of Madeleine is just nonsense, pure and simple.'

Portuguese police, meanwhile, last night described as 'absolutely absurd' reports that Kate McCann was offered a plea bargain during questioning should she admit to the accidental death of her daughter.

The McCanns' Portuguese lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, said that the newspaper reports were due to a 'misunderstanding' that had arisen during questioning.
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New doubts over Madeleine DNA


It was the key to last week's astonishing developments: DNA evidence that suggested the McCanns could be suspects, not witnesses. But the forensic samples, The Observer can exclusively reveal, were incomplete and degraded - raising a new round of concerns over the police inquiry

Ned Temko in London, Mark Townsend and Brendan de Beer in Portimao

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The key to the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, it was always assumed, must surely lie somewhere amid the gently sloping pathways, almond groves and scrubland of Praia da Luz, the Portuguese resort from where the little blonde girl, just a few days short of her fourth birthday, went missing on a warm night in early May.

But the breakthrough of the past 48 hours - if that is what it proves to be - has its origins not in Praia da Luz but Leicestershire, just a few miles from the village of Rothley from where Madeleine, her parents Kate and Gerry and their two-year-old twins set off for their fateful holiday four months ago.


It was Leicestershire police who, with Portuguese colleagues, helped assemble new forensic evidence in a top-to-bottom review of the investigation a few weeks ago. And it was DNA analysis of key samples from the Algarve - using a technique pioneered at Leicester University by genetics expert Sir Alec Jeffreys two decades ago - that has suddenly reignited the investigation.

As the McCanns yesterday struggled to cope with being declared arguidos, or official suspects, in the disappearance and possible death of their own daughter, Gerry spoke for the first time to underline their claim of innocence. 'We have never had to say it until now ... but we did not kill our daughter. I never believed it would come to this,' he told reporters. He went on to try to dispel suspicion by pointing out the short time frame for the crime that night. 'I was away from the table for 10 minutes and six of those were spent talking to another guest I met as I came out from checking on Madeleine. All of this can come out. And it doesn't stack up.' He added that the couple are braced for more twists in the investigation and know they may even be charged because of local laws. His wife spoke too of her fears of being framed. 'Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us.'

Kate McCann's uncle, Brian Kennedy, said he and other relatives remained committed to helping Madeleine's family disprove the 'repulsive' suggestion they were somehow involved in her death. 'We still say ... that this suggestion that in some way they were responsible for the death of Madeleine, a little girl they are absolutely devoted to, is just nonsense, pure and simple.'

Gerry's brother John said in a radio interview yesterday that while the parents' arguido status meant they had not been able to divulge details of the questioning, he had been led to believe that 'no hard evidence has been shown to them'. And he added: 'Until we get some information about the forensics - and we have not got that yet - we don't know what the police's motivation is.'

But The Observer can reveal that it is the DNA analysis, painstakingly conducted over a period of weeks by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, that prompted Portuguese police to summon first Kate, then Gerry, for extended questioning and finally to class them both as suspects. The main focus of the inquiry is a small and degraded sample of blood found on the floor of the Praia da Luz holiday flat that matches perfectly, but incompletely, Madeleine's DNA profile.

But sources close to the team handling Madeleine's disappearance say that a further reason for the Portuguese police's sudden shift of focus is that they have concerns about alleged contradictions in the accounts of her disappearance given by her parents and their friends in the first days of the investigation.

The problem for the police - and the consolation for the McCanns and their circle - is that, even with major recent advances, DNA profiling is not an exact science. Particularly with samples degraded by time, as in this case, there can be no absolute certainty of a match. More importantly, science can say nothing conclusive about how a bit of Madeleine's blood, if it is indeed hers, might have got there in the first place. But by last night, the likelihood was that, whatever the direction of the investigation in the coming weeks, the McCanns' agony will get worse before it get better. The police have made it clear privately that they will want further and more detailed answers to clear up the mystery of the DNA samples. And all that against the background of feverish, often lurid, speculation by newspapers and broadcasters worldwide, which, until just days ago, were painting a portrait of Kate and Gerry McCann not as suspects, but as grieving parents.

Some reports have already spoken of blood found not only in the flat, but in a car that they rented more than two weeks after Madeleine went missing. Others, elaborating on the theme, have suggested the police suspect Kate of having some connection with the death of her daughter and of then possible transporting her body. 'All completely false,' a senior source close to the investigation told The Observer yesterday, saying that no blood at all had been found in the car and that a DNA sample taken from its interior, though still a likely match for Madeleine, could have come from just about any item with which the McCanns' daughter had come into contact in the days before she vanished.

In the 129 days since Madeleine disappeared, the last 72 hours have witnessed an extraordinary series of twists. In addition to the furore over the traces of DNA in the car, there has been a suggestion - strenuously denied by the McCanns - that they gave Madeleine sedatives, and that a deal had been offered to Kate McCann if she confessed to being involved in the disappearance of her own daughter. Now the McCanns - parents, medical professionals, devout Catholics - are formal suspects in the death of a girl whose features are recognisable to millions. They insist their daughter may still be alive. The police say they believe she is dead.

Yesterday morning, the crowd outside the Portimao police station quickly drifted away down the narrow, crowded street once Gerry McCann had left after being questioned and formally classified as a suspect. It was Madeleine's mother they really wanted: some of the 500 gathered had booed her earlier outside the police station that day.

Last Thursday and Friday both parents were grilled intensively for a combined 24 hours on how their daughter disappeared on the evening of 3 May while her parents dined with friends at a tapas bar 70 yards away.

This week it may get even worse. The McCanns will appear before a Portuguese judge as fears mount among the family's friends that the procedure that would lead to charges being laid is now well advanced.

Today was intended to mark a sort of closure: the McCanns had planned to return home to Rothley. Now, police could apply for the them to be subject to a termo de identidade e residencia ('declaration of identity and residence'), meaning that they could not move to a new address without notifying the Portuguese authorities. Yesterday afternoon, the McCanns volunteered to remain indefinitely in the Algarve, aware that any attempt to move back to Britain might be interpreted unfavourably.

Alleged contradictions in the original statements of the friends who were with the couple on 3 May remain outstanding, according to police sources - in particular the period relating to the three hours before 10pm, when she was reported missing.

British officers have now conducted standard background checks on McCanns and their friends. 'Kate and Gerry want to help the police. Friends are happy to co-operate with the police and some have already returned to do that,' said a friend.

Allegations also emerged yesterday of a deliberate strategy on the part of the police to make the couple crack. Anonymous sources were quoted as claiming that police had decided Gerry might falter under intense questioning, having watched the 39-year-old's outburst during an interview with Spanish television over the issue of why Madeleine's blood had been found in their apartment.

As far as the McCanns themselves are concerned, Madeleine is not dead. But they are afraid the search for her has been wound down as police concentrate their energy on her parents. Yesterday a friend said: 'Madeleine has not been found. The fear is that with all this going on, who's looking for Madeleine?'

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A powerful tool - but not infallible



Robin McKie, science editor

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DNA profiling is the most powerful forensic tool available to police and scientists today. Invented by Sir Alec Jeffreys, the Leicester University geneticist, the technique was first used to solve the murders of the Leicestershire schoolgirls Dawn Ashworth and Lynda Mann in 1988.

In those days, fairly substantial amounts of biological material were needed to create DNA profiles. Since then scientists have perfected the technology so that they can create a profile from a few cells, invisible to the naked eye, that have been left behind at a crime scene. Holding a glass will leave enough DNA on its surface to create a profile, for example.


The technology exploits the fact that small sections of our DNA repeat themselves over and over and that different people have different numbers of repeats. These genetic 'stutters' can be counted, producing a digital readout.

Current tests - known as 'LCN' (low copy number) tests - produce a sequence of 20 numbers. Such a readout is highly specific to an individual. The chances of a stranger's DNA exactly matching each of the 20 numbers that make up your profile are about one billion to one.

Equally importantly, the ability to turn a person's DNA into a readout means that the numbers that pinpoint a person from their genes can be stored in computers. Britain's currently has the DNA records of more than 4 million people and matches between individuals and crime-scene samples are now frequently used to channel investigations in particular directions.

But using DNA profiles on their own to try to establish guilt can be a fraught business. For a start, the technology's ability to create profiles from microscopic scraps of biological material means tests are highly vulnerable to contamination. Forensic scientists have to take extraordinary precautions to counter the problem and therefore work in sterile laboratories; the sight of the 'experts' on TV's CSI: Crime Scene Investigation eating in the lab or letting their hair fall over samples turns most British forensic scientists apoplectic.

This point is of key importance in the case of Madeleine McCann. Scientists may have found her DNA profile in the car that her parents hired 25 days after she went missing, but that tells them nothing about the source of that DNA. A few skin cells from one of Madeleine's toys - such as her 'cuddle cat', which has been carried around by Kate McCann - could have fallen into the vehicle, for example.

In addition, it is now known that the DNA found in the McCanns' hire car, and also in the family's flat, generated a readout for only 15 numbers out of a possible 20, although these all matched corresponding numbers on Madeleine's DNA.

Nevertheless, this failure to produce a complete readout is intriguing and suggests the biological traces found by scientists are tiny and degraded. The finding also suggests an outside possibility that the DNA could have come from the McCanns' other children, though this idea is dismissed by detectives.

The point about DNA profiling is that it is a potent technique for highlighting promising approaches for detectives to follow. But other evidence is often needed to corroborate what the DNA evidence is indicating.
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Shell-shocked Kate McCann has given a dramatic, impassioned interview to the Sunday Mirror to denounce claims that she killed her own daughter.

Breaking down in tears, distraught Kate said of the Portuguese police: "They want me to lie - I'm being framed.

"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."

Kate was speaking on Friday morning - after her first police interrogation this week, but before police officially classed her a suspect in her daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

And she addressed head-on the extraordinary allegation that she accidentally killed Madeleine, then hid the body and engaged in a monumental cover-up to pretend she had been abducted.

Furious at the astounding claims, Kate, 39, said of the police: "They are basically saying, 'If you confess Madeleine had an accident, and that I panicked and hid the body in a bag for a month then got rid of it in a hire car, I'd get two or three years' suspended sentence.'

"I was even told, 'Think about it - Gerry would even be able to work again'. I was told that I could say I was stressed and I sedated Madeleine and it could be the best option for me. It is ridiculous. The worst nightmare".

Devout Catholic Kate revealed that the Portuguese police have even taken her Bible away - in the apparent belief that a crumpled page from it relating to a dead child indicates a guilty conscience.

Kate said: "One of the pieces of evidence is that a page from a passage in Samuel about having to tell a man his child is dead is crumpled - so I must have been reading it.

"I mean how ridiculous is that? My faith is sorely tested."

Under Portuguese law, she can say no more until her suspect status is lifted - making her interview with us her only and final comment on the mind-boggling police allegations.

Kate spoke to the Sunday Mirror as she was being hauled back in for her second quizzing on Friday morning.

Later on Friday, she was officially classed a suspect - as was her husband Gerry, in the early hours of yesterday morning.

The couple have dutifully never discussed the police investigation until now, in accordance with Portuguese law - but besieged Kate felt that she had no option but to speak out.

Police offered the "confession" deal through her lawyer before Friday's police interview. Breaking down in tears, the GP from Rothley, Leics, said defiantly: "They're telling my lawyer this could be the best option for me and I was advised that, if I deny it, I'm now at the point of no return. But I will never lie for them."

She said her desire not to give in to police pressure was fuelled by the McCanns' burning desire for Madeleine to be found. "And I think, 'Sod us, what about Madeleine? This would mean people stop looking for her'." She added: "We were under 24-hour constant scrutiny after Madeleine was taken. Where would I have hidden a body? We had no vehicle even then."

Meanwhile, the Sunday Mirror has learned that Kate and Gerry, a surgeon, have made a pact not to cry in front of Portuguese police - however upsetting the questions they face.

"They have promised each other that they will not let the police break them," a friend said. "No matter how intolerable the questioning, they will maintain their resolve."

The police case against Kate and Gerry revolves around claims that traces of Madeleine's DNA were found in a Renault Scenic car hired for the McCanns by a representative of holiday firm Mark Warner 25 days after their daughter's disappearance.

Kate said: "The police are going to say they have found bodily fluids from Madeleine in the car. It's impossible. We hired the car three-and-a-half weeks later."

In fact, when Kate was grilled for the second time, police repeatedly told her they had found blood in the Renault car but wouldn't say it was Madeleine's.

Sources close to the family say that, if Madeleine's DNA was in the car, it would be quite possible the traces got there from Madeleine's clothes and toys which the McCann twins Sean and Amelie had been playing with.

Her Dna would also be on her parents' clothes from where they cuddled and played with her. Kate said: "Five weeks ago, they took away all our clothes, items people had sent out for us."

A police dog sniffed out traces of corpses on Kate's clothes, it is said. "Apparently the dog started barking at my jeans and in the apartment," said Kate.

Friends have pointed out that GP Kate was present at several deaths before she went away on holiday.

"It was us who instigated and pushed for the searches," said exasperated Kate. "Would we have done that if we had something to hide? The British police have been great, they are totally behind us."

But she can no longer contain her fury at the Portuguese police's behaviour.

Kate fears the cost of the inquiry means police in Praia da Luz are anxious to get it over as soon as possible. "The Portuguese police are running out of budget for this investigation and want it to end," she said. "The British have been paying."

The McCanns' relations are at their side, but Kate fears for her 67-year-old dad Brian Healy, who suffers from Parkinson's. "This is so hard on them," she said.

So fearful are the McCanns that they are being framed they got a message through to Gordon Brown's office on Friday about the cruel twist of events.

It is believed a British consular official contacted police in Portugal to protest at the confession deal being put to Kate.

The McCanns have also asked if the American FBI could undertake a review of the case - but have been told it won't be possible.

Kate McCann gave this interview to The Sunday Mirror on Friday morning, hours before being made an arguida - official suspect - in the Madeleine inquiry.

THE BIBLE PASSAGE COPS SAY IS PROOF

The passage of the Holy Bible that fascinated Portuguese police came from The Old Testament. In Samuel, Book 2, Chapter 12, Verses 15-19, David's child is stricken with illness after he "scorns" the Lord.

David fasts for seven days, refusing to get up off the ground, to try and gain redemption - but eventually his child dies.

His servants have a dilemma as to whether to tell him as they are afraid that "he may do himself some harm". Eventually he guesses.

Police took Kate's Bible away because they said the page with the passage on was crumpled - evidence that she had been reading it.


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Portuguese police have no evidence linking Kate and Gerry McCann to Madeleine's disappearance.

And the Sunday Mirror can reveal that officers tried to bluff Kate McCann into making a confession during 16 gruelling hours of interrogation.

But even when she and husband Gerry were made formal suspects - "arguidos" - in the inquiry, the couple refused to buckle. They told police: "Charge us or let us go home."

Yesterday Portuguese papers reported that police will charge the couple next week. They say Kate will be accused of Madeleine's manslaughter and hiding her body, while Gerry will face claims of helping her to hide the body.

Kate and Gerry have taken a resilient stand against the Portuguese police and have demanded they reveal what evidence there is against them.

The furious couple came out fighting after long and intense separate grillings as the search for Madeleine took a dramatic twist.

The McCanns know police do not have any proof to support their accusations - and are trying to force them into a confession so they can close the bungled investigation.

During her interview in a stuffy, hot room at Portimao police station, Kate was repeatedly asked if specks of blood found in her hire car belonged to Madeleine.

But instead of telling her the blood was Madeleine's, detectives said: "We put it to you that the blood in the boot of your car belonged to Madeleine and that you killed her."

Kate turned the tables on them and asked them what evidence they have. She told them she knew the blood could not be her daughter's.

Police refused to say if forensic tests carried out in a Birmingham lab proved for certain that the blood was Madeleine's, or even if the sample was blood. So Kate refused to back down, despite the detectives putting the same accusation to her dozens of times.

A close friend said: "Kate knew they were bluffing. She asked them, 'Have tests shown the blood is definitely Madeleine's? Show me the proof. I know I didn't kill Madeleine so show me your evidence if you have any.' She wasn't going to be pushed around."

Police also accused Kate, a GP, of using a huge dose of sedatives meant for herself on Madeleine to help her sleep while she and Gerry ate at a restaurant. But she angrily replied: "I do not give my kids sedatives, I never have done and I never will do. I know you can't prove that because it is a ridiculous suggestion and it is not true."

The police suggested Kate used a Renault Scenic car - hired for the couple by a Mark Warner representative 25 days after Madeleine disappeared - to move her body after already having buried it once.

Kate was also told sniffer dogs had discovered the scent of a corpse on her jeans. But she said that could be easily explained because as a locum GP she had been near a dead person before the family's holiday.

The McCanns have been baffled by the flimsy evidence being used to vilify them. At the centre of the claims are DNA results from samples taken from the hire car and reactions of sniffer dogs. But in the UK, sniffer dog behaviour would simply be classed as "intelligence" - not evidence in its own right.

Despite maintaining a brave face in public, Kate and Gerry have regularly sobbed uncontrollably when behind closed doors.

Gerry burst into tears when he arrived back at the villa in the early hours of yesterday morning for an emotional reunion with Kate.

Their friend said: "It has been a gruelling experience for both of them."

Last night the couple cancelled plans to attend a church service to celebrate the Senhora da Luz (lady of light) festival. They instead chose to say quiet prayers at home.

The friend said: "They are trying to maintain as normal a life as possible for the twins. Kate and Gerry are bearing up really well, considering. But they are incredibly angry."

There are currently no bail conditions preventing Kate and Gerry from going home. And the couple have decided to return to Rothley, Leics, where they will continue to fight the allegations with the support of friends.

Their friend said: "They desperately want to go home but they do not want to look like they have something to hide, because nothing could be further from the truth."

The friend added: "They don't want to be seen as running away from all of this. Not only because it may look bad, but more importantly they want to put the focus back on the hunt for Madeleine."

The couple are concerned that the search for their missing daughter has been distracted by the inquiry shifting to them.

The friend said: "Kate and Gerry still believe Madeleine is alive and they are now worried that no one is looking for her as police are concentrating their efforts on them."

We can also now reveal how Kate and Gerry knew the investigation was turning on them weeks ago. And they decided to announce they were going home this weekend to force the police's hand.

The friend said: "Their last 'informal' interview was three weeks ago and the police became aggressive and hostile in their questions to Kate. She broke down in tears several times. Since then the police have kept them completely out of the loop, refusing to brief them on new leads in the investigation as they had before. Their relationship broke down completely. They decided that if the police had anything against them, they wanted to hear it. They called a senior detective and said they planned to leave Portugal. A couple of days later they were summoned for separate interviews."

Portuguese newspapers, which have led a relentless smear campaign against the couple, said yesterday that the police were carrying out a "war of nerves".

Local paper Sol said officers had withheld information on the investigation for as long as possible to put Kate and Gerry under pressure. It said: "The Policia Judiciaria used the strategy of pressure on the McCanns. They have treated Kate in an exhaustive manner, trying to exploit her weaknesses. They had used long interrogations, concentrating on the samples they have and inconsistencies in the statements of her friends."

It said police opted to interview her first to put pressure on Gerry as they thought he might crack under the strain of how Kate was being treated. "They have watched his media appearances and saw him storm out of an interview with Spanish TV," the paper added.

It also said the police strategy was to delay making Kate an arguida for as long as possible because the status gives her the right to silence and she is not obliged to co-operate. But none of the papers - who have been briefed by police sources - published any evidence against the McCanns.

Yesterday Kate and Gerry's relations said the allegations against them were "ludicrous". Kate's mother Susan Healy, 62, said: "We are reeling." Her father Brian added: "The worst thing is that it is detracting from the campaign to find Madeleine alive."

And Gerry's sister Philomena said: "People react badly when it comes to children who've been harmed or murdered and I fear people are going to turn against them, and against the family.

"We just have to hope their names can be cleared as soon as possible and we can get back to looking for Madeleine."


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Kate and Gerry are set to make the heart-rending journey back to the UK in the next couple of days.

They have given Rothley, Leicestershire, as their home address on police papers and it will be their base if bail conditions are imposed.

A friend said: "This is such a deeply upsetting time for them and they are desperate to be in familiar surroundings with their close friends and family nearby."

The news comes as we can reveal that Kate gave twins Sean and Amelie an extra-special kiss goodbye on Friday because she feared she would be jailed that night.

The devastated mum broke down when she visited the two-year-olds at their creche before she was whisked away for the police interview at which she was formally declared a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

Tears rolled down her face as she tenderly kissed her children on the cheek and told them: "Mummy loves you so much."

A close friend said: "Kate had spent Thursday being grilled by detectives for 11 hours and was summoned to go back on Friday morning.

"She knew she was about to be made an official suspect and was terrified she may be locked up straight away.

"Kate had prepared herself for that, but she didn't know when she would see the twins again or if the next time would be from behind bars.

"She paid them a special visit in private at the creche. She gave them a kiss goodbye, hugged them, and told them she loved them."

Kate then wiped her eyes before being driven to the police station in Portimao, where she walked through the front doors with her head held high.

She defiantly ignored a handful of jeers from the crowd as she went in to face a second round of intense questioning.

The twins have been going to the Kids' Club in Praia da Luz most days since Madeleine disappeared.

They have also been cared for by Gerry's sister Trish Cameron, as the McCanns struggle to maintain a "normal" routine for the two-year-olds.

The distraught couple have told the twins that their sister is missing - but that "Mummy and Daddy are looking for her".

A friend said: "Kate was so upset at the thought of being parted from them because the twins are even more important to her and Gerry now.

"It is having Sean and Amelie that is getting them through this terrible situation."


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I believe that the parents are innocent. They have told the twins that Madeline is missing and they are looking for her. Surely if they had killed her, they wouldn't raise the hopes of their other children?

The DNA in the car could easily have come from some of Madeline's toys which the others were playing with.

The blood on the floor of the apartment - surely that could even have got there fom someone killing her on that night or she may have hurt herself at some time.

A difference in the accounts from them and their friends over what happened that night - well it is not always to remember exactly what happened.

The sniffer dogs smelt a corpse on Kate. Well, she is a Doctor and was near a dead person immediately before she went on holiday.


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Kate and Gerry McCann may have to wait a year to discover whether they will be charged or cleared over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, they have been warned.

As they made an emotional return to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, 130 days after the four-year-old went missing, Portuguese police made it clear the investigation was not over "by any means".

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Kate and Gerry McCann should be charged with killing their daughter Madeleine and covering up the evidence, Portuguese police insist.

Despite serious questions about the investigation and reliability of forensic evidence, the distraught couple fear their emotional return to Britain yesterday might be brief.

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Papers outlining the case against the parents of Madeleine McCann are expected to be passed to the public prosecutor today, according to Portuguese police.

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, the detective who has been leading the inquiry into the disappearance of the four-year-old, said the case file on Gerry and Kate McCann would be handed over for the prosecutor to decide whether any charges should be brought.

Last week, Mr and Mrs McCann were named as formal suspects in the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine, who they insist was abducted from their holiday apartment in the Algarve more than four months ago.


The development came after police reinterviewed the McCanns. Part of the interrogation was believed to have centred on the results of forensic analysis of their apartment and hire car.

The local prosecutor, Joao Cunha de Magalhaes, will decide whether any charges should be brought against the couple, who returned to their home in Leicestershire yesterday.

Further test results due from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham may also influence how the investigation unfolds.

"At the moment, the inquiry is being prepared to be handed to the prosecutor in charge of the case," Mr Sousa said. "He will analyse it and, after this, he will make his decision."

Asked when the papers would be handed over, he replied: "Probably during today."

Brian Kennedy, Mrs McCann's uncle, gave a brief statement to the dozens of journalists near the couple's home in Rothley.

He said Mr and Mrs McCann were continuing to receive messages of support, adding: "They are OK. They had a decent night's sleep, and the twins slept soundly. They are holding up extremely well."

Faced with more questions about the McCanns' next steps, he said he believed they would "try to live as normal lives as possible".

The couple left their family home for a holiday in Portugal at the end of April. Yesterday, more than four months later, they flew back to the UK with their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, but without their eldest child.

A family spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, said the McCanns were not expected to emerge from the house today.

They were unable to say anything because of the "difficult legal situation" they were in after being named as suspects, Ms McGuinness said.

Earlier, Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, accused the Portuguese police of "clutching at straws" in their investigation into the missing child.

She said the family continued to believe that Madeleine was alive, urging police to "turn the investigation" around to hunt for her instead of concentrating energies on her possible death.

"It is unbelievable they [the McCanns] have been named as suspects - no one believes the Portuguese police," Ms McCann told GMTV. "Two more loving parents you could not hope to meet.

"All I can suggest is the Portuguese police are clutching at straws, they want to get this case cleared up. Kate and Gerry have been a thorn in their sides for a long time. What better than to cast them as the villains?"

Following a request for privacy, some news organisations were broadcasting from the town's war memorial, which had acted as a focus for wellwishers' cards and flowers in the days after Madeleine vanished.

After touching down at East Midlands airport just after noon, Mr McCann, his voice breaking, insisted he and his wife had played no part in their daughter's disappearance.

"Whilst it is heartbreaking to return to the UK without Madeleine, it does not mean we are giving up our search," he said. "As parents, we cannot give up on our daughter until we know what has happened."

The couple do not know if or when police will call them back to Portugal, although they will obey even if they fear they could be arrested, a family friend said.

"They are not running away. It is a change of place but they are very happy to help the police," the friend added. "If they need to come back for interviews, they will come back for interviews."

During the police interview, detectives suggested to Mrs McCann that traces of Madeleine's blood had been found in the family's hire car, a silver Renault Scenic.

She is understood to have told them angrily there was "no way" this could be the case because they did not lease the vehicle until 25 days after her daughter disappeared.

Portuguese police have given no indication about the strength of the forensic material from the hire car or the family's holiday apartment.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, the McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, told the Guardian claims by relatives that police had offered Mrs McCann a plea bargain if she admitted to accidentally killing her child were wrong.

The claims were the result of "a misunderstanding" while she was being questioned.

Mr and Mrs McCann are receiving further legal advice from the London law firm Kingsley Napley, the family said in a statement last night. One of their advisers is Michael Caplan QC, who defended Augusto Pinochet.

The couple said they would not use money raised to help the search for Madeleine to pay their legal bills, the BBC reported.

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The media piles pressure on police to give answers, but suspects must live with an irremovable stain of suspicion

Max Hastings - The Guardian

Yesterday, just in case everybody else knew something that I did not, I rang an editor friend and asked for the word on the street about Madeleine McCann. He answered that no one has the slightest idea where the truth lies - despite the Portuguese police naming Kate and Gerry McCann as formal suspects in the investigation of her death. The case possesses everything headline writers could dream of: a pretty child victim; photogenic middle-class parents who are also doctors; apparently bungling foreigners. Amid a miasma of allegation and sensation, coverage is remorseless, speculation infinite.

The story provokes in some of us the sort of guilt that our ancestors must have felt on finding themselves unable to avert their eyes from a public execution. We shudder at the circus, sure of its repugnance but uncertain whom to blame. Crime in which children are victims causes police, media and public alike to take leave of their senses.

It has become the only truly heinous crime. Few people feel much hatred towards fraudsters, bank robbers, or even most killers. But no prisoner convicted of a crime against children is safe in jail. The trials of such people provoke gatherings of vengeful housewives who make the tricoteuses, the women who knitted beneath the guillotine, seem sisters of mercy.

In the case of Madeleine McCann, the public would like the guilty party to turn out to be a Portuguese with a long history of offences against children, who could reasonably be branded as a sex fiend - like the Spanish waiter who in 1996 killed the British schoolgirl Caroline Dickinson in France. If instead the McCanns are charged and convicted, anger will be all the more bitter, because people will feel that for months they have been deluded into wasting sympathy on them.

These remarks may sound ugly, but so is what is happening in Portugal. The McCanns now live in the shadow of declared police suspicion. If they are innocent, this is appalling. If there is evidence against them, natural justice cries out for them to be charged rather than merely denounced.

Child victims often induce police officers to act rashly, because they are under such pressure to produce a result. This is as true in Britain as it is in Portugal, as the officers probing the shooting of Rhys Jones might acknowledge - likewise those who investigated the 2002 Soham killings of Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells.

In the latter case, in a small East Anglian community, it was only days before Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr were arrested. In a city, identifying a killer is often much harder. Last year's search in Ipswich for the killer of five women became protracted. A succession of suspects were questioned, with identities blazoned across the front pages. Even when a man was eventually charged, it is hard to imagine that the lives of the earlier detainees have been, or ever will be, quite the same. Nobody will easily forget that they were deemed capable of being multiple murderers.

Such people surely deserve stronger protection under the law, as do the McCanns and Robert Murat, the British man formally named as a suspect earlier in the Madeleine inquiry. In his case, relations at home found themselves being quizzed by reporters eager to discover whether he had any history of sex crimes. Most of those arrested during the Rhys Jones investigation - and subsequently released - have been spared publicity only because they are minors.

It is widely suggested that the Portuguese police conducting the Madeleine inquiry have been incompetent. But British officers are just as capable of promoting false allegations when the heat is on them to make an arrest. During the search for Jill Dando's killer, I remember having a private conversation with two senior policemen. They told me a pack of nonsense, which I am confident that they themselves believed. Both said that they thought it most likely that Dando's assailant was somebody with whom she was already acquainted: "Her personal life was much more complicated than anybody realises, you know."

Their purpose, of course, was to convince the media that they were not sitting down on the job, that they were making progress towards an arrest. This is the usual motivation for police leaks, though cash handouts from reporters to junior officers also play a part. Either way, a duty of discretion is breached.

Arthur Conan Doyle, Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers and such like got one big thing right in their fiction: detection as practised by professionals is often sadly inadequate. But in real life amateur sleuths can't fill the breach, so if police can't find murderers, nobody does.

A high proportion of homicides are domestic crimes, in which the guilty party is obvious. If these cases are stripped out of statistics, a dismaying number of murderers escape justice. When an arrest can be achieved only through what Hercule Poirot would call the use of the little grey cells, outcomes are elusive. I once heard a criminal barrister - today a senior judge - mock police procedures: "Their idea of detection is to decide which of the local firms to fit up for a given job!" He was not being entirely facetious.

The police, in their turn, have plenty to say about the cynicism of media and public. There is a readily recognised scale of popular sentiment about murder, at the bottom of which come gangland killings, especially black on black. If one drug dealer kills another, to most people it is a matter of indifference. Prostitutes receive only slightly more sympathy, because they are widely supposed to have brought their fates upon themselves. If enough of them die, however, as in Ipswich, serial murder generates a frisson of its own.

Popular sentiment focuses overwhelmingly upon the deaths of so-called innocent parties, above all children. Figures suggest that Britain, and indeed Portugal, are remarkably safe places for the young to grow up in. The chances of a child meeting a violent death are no greater than they were in the era of Victorian values.

But in this, as in all matters relating to crime, perception is unrelated to reality. Media coverage gives credence to a belief that European society is plagued by monsters stalking the young. When a child dies, every police officer knows that his or her force's reputation is at stake in identifying a plausible murderer.

These crimes sell a great many papers, which neither Iraq nor Darfur will do. Some colleagues would accuse me of an absurd squeamishness, because I hang my head in shame at what our trade, as well as the Portuguese police, has made of the McCann story. They would say the world has been ever thus, since the days of Jack the Ripper.

But it seems reasonable to recoil from the situation that now exists. Unless an outsider is caught and convicted of Madeleine's death, the reputations of the McCann family are irreparably damaged. Before charges or any trial, an irremovable stain of suspicion has been cast by police, and broadcast by the media. Even if the McCanns are indicted tomorrow, the principles of natural justice have been flouted in the most shameful fashion.


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washingpowder

September 10, 2007 4:08 AM

The case is about Maddie, not her parents and if justice is truly searched for then all should be investigated including them.

One aspect that baffels me is that very few traces have been found which suggests that the perpertrator was extreamly organised or that all traces were wiped clean.

Who knows, time I hope will tell.

My thoughts are with you Maddie wherever you are.


ThaiJohnny

September 10, 2007 4:40 AM

Yes, Max Hastings has a point but he fails to mention that the McCanns themselves have courted publicity so aggressively that one wondered if the kidnapped girl's days kwere numbered because she had become a Europe-wide liability whose face was known everywhere.
Their self-publicity reached the point where someone asked who the old man in white was the McCanns were talking with over there in the Vatican. They went too far.

Bitethehand

September 10, 2007 4:41 AM

Why so harsh on yourself and your trade Mr Hastings?

Ifthe parents had asked for and demanded privacy and the press had hounded them day and night, then journalists and their employers would have a case to answer. But the McCanns and their friends orchestrated a media campaign in the full knowledge that there are always pros and cons in these matters. They are not after all naive, uneducated lottery winners but sophisticated professionals, and I can't believe they weren't warned this might be the outcome.


Manchestermike

September 10, 2007 5:01 AM

I agree with Thaijohnny, the McCanns started their media-celebrity campaign within days of their daughter´s disappearance. They can¨t now turn it off like a tap, despite the achingly hilarious appeal by a relative for them to be left alone by the press! They will find that because they lived by the media they will assuredly "die" of it. The press will start to report more of the hostile criticism as their editors realise that like the Pope, other "celebrities" who initially backed them are quietly distancing themselves. (Is Gordon Brown still happy to see them now?) Incidentally who is now paying for the McCann´s spin doctors like the dalek-voiced woman who droned into the microphones at the airport? Surely not the 1m-plus appeal fund.


smiffdub

September 10, 2007 5:26 AM

I really wish people would red card the idea of natural justice. There is no such thing--and historically it's mostly some very nasty people who've appealed to the notion in the first place. There's only systems of human law...at least, those are the only ones we can appeal to without by definition supporting out-law justice.

The Portugese have done what their system says they should do...that's the version of justice that prevails in Portgual and which we're bound to respect (bound by both treaty and commn sense).

To bundle the Portugese police and the media together in this nasty article is the crudest sleight of hand, and even a dubious personality such as Max Hastings should be ashamed of the subterfuge.


Weeper

September 10, 2007 6:13 AM

"I hang my head in shame at what my trade has made of the McCann story".

Not to mention what crimes your trade was complicit in leading up to the invasions of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and its continuing cover up of major war crimes committed in each of these countries.

And now your trade is moving on to the next propaganda excercise, softenning us up for the attack on Iran.

You lot stink! Its a toss-up which is a more sordid profession, politicians or hacks.

waynethenerd

September 10, 2007 6:45 AM

"Incompetent" may not be the word to describe the Portuguese police.

The Independenton Sunday reported:

"Leonor Cipriano, 36, is serving a 16-year jail sentence following the disappearance of her daughter, Joana, nine, in September 2004, just seven miles from where Madeleine McCann vanished. The investigating officer was Detective Goncalo Amaral, now leading the McCann inquiry."

"Yesterday, however, Leonor's husband, Leandro Silva, reiterated claims that his wife had been beaten by Mr Amaral during interrogation. Mr Amaral and four other officers were charged over the allegations. Despite this, he has not been removed from the McCann case."

"Bent copper" or even "Bent copper covering up for child-snatchers" is a suspicion we'll leave to the authorities to investigate.


writeon

September 10, 2007 7:05 AM

This is a curious and complicated case. Is there any evidence that Madeleine was actually abducted? She vanished from the room and hasn't been seen since; but how, and why, and where, remain a mystery still. Is there, in fact, any evidence that some mysterious man entered the bedroom and took her? Does the paedophile theory really hold water on closer examination?

If there was no abduction, where is the child, how did the child get out and where did she go? If there was no abduction, did she just wander off on her own, waking up and finding herself alone and went looking for her parents? How likely is that?

If she wasn't abducted, didn't wander off, what alternatives do we have left? Only almost unthinkable ones, and in the circumstances it would be foolish to rule anything out and beyond the pale.


RockoLeJocko

September 10, 2007 7:25 AM




A most interesting comment in addition to a well deserved mea culpa for the fourth estate. Usually, when someone like Mr. Hastings makes an observation like this regarding fellow "professionals," the commenter is not guilty of such behavior to any great extent. It is refreshing for someone like me to observe this level of honesty in the press. Perchance I was forever maimed by the insensitivity of the press to the parents of a little girl that inadvertently fell into an abandoned well in Duarte, California in 1947. The incessant hammering on the parents upon the discovery that she was dead by the neophyte television reporters was sufficient to cause one to vomit for weeks.
However, I am going to hearken back to one of my old professor's admonishments, which many in the class considered just another cliche, "economics is the basis for everything that happens in history." I am sure that any of the readers, capable of reading between the lines, will concur with that statement. The examples are unbounded.
Now let's consider what transpired in that country on the Iberian peninsula, West of Spain. In a land devoid of any pedophilia laws for the protection of minor children, a child kidnapping occurs. The local gendarme arrive and because they, in their omnipotent wisdom, know that it is meaningless, no forensic evidence is obtained, en factum, no evidence is collected. But you must realize, the local gendarme are too busy to come to the crime scene of any of the multitude of robberies that have taken place in this holiday rental complex. There are just too many to be bothered with writing up the same reports all of the time.
Unfortunately for the McCanns, they refused to observe and inspect what was transpiring outside of their bubble. As time wore on, world wide recognition of this country's total lack of a professional and intelligent gendarme, became an established fact. No one with a mediocre level of intelligence wanted to vacation there, especially if they had minor children. Where once one had to book months in advance, now one can go there and barter for the price. Alas! Economics! So as the economics worsened, the rumor mill in the local press was fed at the insistence of those that are most affected by a dramatic downturn in the economic well being.
After the local press, quid est absent in the external press, had created sufficient frenzy in the population, the gendarme now accuse the parents of having murdered their child.
Add to this, the local lady serving a jail term for the death of her child, body not found, who claims the gendarme physically beat her to get a confession. The responsible gendarme supposedly is well known for solving cases.
I am not going to discuss the machismo indigenous to the males of this population, but don't forget the way women are treated in Brazil.
Yes, I am long winded and I definitely leave it up to you to connect the dots. And you may even have to come out of your bubble. A hiatus from one's bubble is not only good for you, but is requisite for your survival.

Kocmotex


bbano

September 10, 2007 7:33 AM

I agree with many of the above posters who point out that Mc Cann's themselves raised and encouraged the media hype.
It is easy to make disparage legal systems different form our own, as much of the British media has done and continuous to do so with no intention of understanding of the same.
Police in Portugal and many other continental countries are bound by the dictates of the judge heading the investigation.
The McCanns, as witnesses, were bound by law to declare everything they knew, even if it was not in their own interests, otherwise it would be perjury and obstruction of justice.
As suspects, they can now refuse to answer on grounds of self-defence, and have their lawyer present all the time.
The question many of us asked from day 1, is what kind of parents leave babies and toddlers alone while they go out for dinner (thinking of all of us who have baby monitors even within the house),
if the British media would have been so sympathetic to a Britisher from another background/class,
and what I personally find totally incomprehensible: a friend goes and checks on your children when both parents are available???

gandytron

September 10, 2007 7:43 AM

The media circus around this story is shocking - I was speechless when I turned on CNN yesterday to see extended coverage of the McCann's car driving from the airport to their home being tracked by a news helicopter and the words "BREAKING NEWS" in the corner of the screen - this is pure voyeurism, it does nothing to advance the case, or discover what has happened to the Madeleine.

For all those that say that the McCann's brought this on themselves I'd like to know what they would have done in a similar situation (if we assume for a moment that the McCanns are innocent of any criminal involvement, and let's face it, the evidence against them is flimsy, or at the very least, incomplete from what is being reported today) - the media picked up the story and ran with it. I think that any parent who was desperate to be reunited with their child would seek the oxygen of publicity; they probably never considered that they would be thought of as suspects, at least not until it was too late and the media circus was in full swing. Are these people, who are blaming the McCann's for the current media circus the same as people who blamed them for the disappearance of their daughter by leaving her asleep unsupervised? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I feel very sorry for the family, walking back into their house for the first time minus one child and to have to do that under the glare of the world's media vultures circling outside, hoping for case of maternal infanticide that will sell more papers, must be truly horrific.

IsabelPS

September 10, 2007 7:44 AM

"Some colleagues would accuse me of an absurd squeamishness, because I hang my head in shame at what our trade, as well as the Portuguese police, has made of the McCann story."

I would not accuse you, Sir, of absurd squeamishness, but of sheer dishonesty. The Portuguese police is doing an investigation on a case, hopefully resulting in duly grounded charges to be brought by a Public Prosecutor according to the law of the land where a crime, that hasn't been determined yet (negligence, manslaughter, murder, or even abduction), has presumably been committed.

You and your colleagues, virtually all the English speaking media locked in its global bubble, your trade, as you say, has behaved (and hasn't finished yet) in a way that amounts to dereliction of duty.

The articles of the Associated Press with dozens of "friends of the family", anonymous in the English papers and duly identified as Clarence Mitchell everywhere else, the bogus and unverified, "plea bargain" claim, totally absurd in the Portuguese system (this is not an American movie), that goes round the world discrediting the investigation...it does not make pretty reading.

I fear that the consequences will be dire for all of us in the Western democracies, most particularly in your country.

wulfy

September 10, 2007 7:50 AM

Thankyou Max Hastings for expresings every sentiment I have about this but fail to express or understand in a coherent form (ie sentences). From Hillsborough to the Bulger case to (and I detested the women frankly) Diana to the Ipswich prostitutes to underage girls on page 3 (they were used in mock outrage to show girls under 16 walking on catwalks - their breasts on view) to this. Unfortunately this sentiment I now know (always knew) is that the press are downright 'scum'. Maybe she did kill her child. I don't know (someone at work said ' Iknew there was something funny about that pair...' What does my friend at work know? What she's read and seen on the telly. Again...) and if she is charged I want the courts to decide, not you or ame or anybody else. I'm absolutely mortified to even know the names of the 'suspects' in this case. It doesn't matter how many times I wash my hands they are tainted by the horrible irisponisbilty of people who work in your trade. Meanwhile I will continue to buy newspapers (and look on the interweb!) for ' news'everyday . Wish me luck! Sleep tight Mr Hastings. See you on the other side!

edwardbenson

September 10, 2007 7:52 AM

A lot of people are making the point that "They will find that because they lived by the media they will assuredly 'die' of it."

Is that really what you think? Are you saying that any parents whose child goes missing should just keep a low profile, in case the press turn against them? Does organising a media campaign to find your missing child really give the press the right to invade every aspect of your life for evermore?

1 in 6 missing children who are reunited with their parents come as the result of a member of the public recognising them from a news picture. In those circumstances, it makes complete sense to organise as high-profile a media campaign as possible. The McCanns' have indeed "used" the press to try to find their missing daughter. To say that they in turn "deserve" all the accompanying vitriol is pathetic and depressing.


RHPrague

September 10, 2007 7:56 AM

I hang my head in shame that in creating CIF my beloved Guardian gave global prominence to the thoughts of such people as some of those who charge into this blog with nothing more than their twisted view of humanity, as they do into many others. Bitethehand, Cristobal, your comments and your revolting cynicism appall me.

Good, thought provoking article , Mr Hastings, as so often.

Bladerunner

September 10, 2007 8:19 AM

Writeon said:

"Is there any evidence that Madeleine was actually abducted? She vanished from the room and hasn't been seen since; but how, and why, and where, remain a mystery still. Is there, in fact, any evidence that some mysterious man entered the bedroom and took her?"

One of the guests staying at the resort actually saw a man carrying a girl answering the description of Madeline in his arms, while the McCanns were at the tapas bar. She described the girl as wearing pink pyjamas of the type Maddie was wearing. The man has never been accounted for.

There are numerous forums examining every angle of Maddie's disappearance but I have yet to see a credible scenario in which the McCanns could have killed her. This, however, is probably not the place to discuss the case itself.

Good article by Max. He's spot on as usual.


Amadeus37

September 10, 2007 8:20 AM

The dreadful thing is, that even if this little girl is found alive, she will never be able to live a normal life.

livingwill

September 10, 2007 8:33 AM

Poor Kate and Gerry McCann , they thought the media were helping them. Now they are suspects, its just another exciting twist to the story as far as the media is concerned.


misteruseless

September 10, 2007 8:36 AM

i found this article in the Times very helpful

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 409958.ece

rebarbative

September 10, 2007 8:41 AM

The only people who are able to make judgements in this case are the Portugese police/prosecutors and (in relation to their guilt or innocence) the McCanns.

I hope that now they have returned home the Leicester Children and Young People's Services will be making a visit to discuss their child care practice with them and consider child protection procedures. There is a prima facie case of neglect which, if it had happened at home, would have resulted in preliminary investigation and possible addition to the Child Protection List at the least, or even a prosecution for 'wilful abandonment' or 'wilful exposure'. This means that their two remaining children are potentially at risk.

What is interesting about this case is that the parents have so far deflected most criticism about their neglectful behaviour. Kate McCann is (I believe) a GP - she is ostensibly in the front line of Child Protection, seeing families where abuse may be a factor and also being required to offer a lead in practice and by example. Her professional fitness should be examined in relation to these factors - how can a professional who admits to having left 3 children alone while dining 100 + yards away (funny how that distance shifts according to how much sympathy the author has for the parents!) be in a position to comment on/make referrals about other families with any credibility - the whole system is undermined.

There is one final (and very important point) - the Child Protection system in this country overwhelmingly tends to target poor people - there are different rules for the middle-class articulate professionals because of their ability use the law and their own resources. Any family already known to C+YPS in any area would be already involved in the Child Protection system because of the clear dangers presented, and would be unli8kely to be cut the sort of media slack given to the McCanns. Fairness and consistency, but most important the safety of the remaining 2 children, demands that the parents are subject to the same scrutiny, or our whole Child Protection system is a sham.

MELANIEBELLAMY

September 10, 2007 8:44 AM

I am sick of this story and Sky News devoting so many staff and airtime to the whole thing is absurd, most of it is hype and speculation as proved over the weekend.
No one knows anything
Mel Bel x


marzipanguy

September 10, 2007 8:48 AM

But Max, the worst is yet to come, with the McCann trial looming on the horizon. Missing a body as proof and maybe based on incomplete DNA forensics it will take us back to the glorious coutroom drama days of the Simpson trial, when patients where watching judge Itos proceedings in their dentists chair. I will watch Billy Wilders "Witness of the Prosecution" to be prepared for the media frenzy that is supposed to kick in next year. Maybe even the US troops will be able to leave the Irak safely when everybody is looking the other way, with Gerry and Kate on the big LCD screens of our time, with their faces sculpted for TV so much more then some shabby GPs clinic.

keith1655

September 10, 2007 8:51 AM

@ Meduck:

"although as a GP it might be expected that she understands the benefits of looking after oneself."

I'd say that as a GP it might be expected that she understands the necessity of looking after one's children.

Bairdie

September 10, 2007 8:52 AM

Even Agatha Christie and her ilk could not dream up how this case of child abduction could suddenly turn into a murder or manslaughter investigation. It took the Portuguese police and the media to do that. The McCanns have not been accused of killing their child, but the media pack simply assume the police 'suspicion' to be true without any evidence to support it.
The Portuguese police have handled the case very, very badly, especially at the start. It even took pressure from the British Govt to force them to release an eyewitness description of a man seen with a child at the scene on the night of the disappearance, and that belatedly 3 weeks after the disappearance.
Now the Portuguese police, who have been in collusion with the Portuguese media and manipulating the international media all along, want to add insult to injury in an attempt to wash their hands of their incompetence by making an accusation for which they claim they will (one day??) produce evidence. This is the emperor's new clothes strategy.

JoeQuincy

September 10, 2007 8:53 AM

Can I ask why the McCanns have been getting such an easy ride from the UK press considering they left 3 children home alone, if they were a couple of jaikies from Paisley then the press would have been hounding them.

The only thing this story is showing is the horrible xenophobia of the UK press and it's ability to accept given information as fact without actually bothering to investigate.

writeon

September 10, 2007 9:02 AM

Dear Bladrunner,

Strictly speaking I don't regard a possible sighting of a man carrying a child who might have been Madeleine as 'evidence' that Madeleine was abducted. Eyewitnesses are, unfortunately, notoriously unreliable. As far as I'm aware of there is no actual hard evidence that Madeliene was abducted by any 'third party' only that she's somehow vanished. If one looks at these kind of cases one finds that the numbers tell us unpleasant truths. The number of children snatched by complete strangers is statistically very, very small. Unfortunately, when children disappear or are murdered, overwhelmingly, in perhaps over 90% or more, the person involved knows the child or is a family member. This isn't hard to understand, because one requires contact with the child, opportunity and 'motivation'.

Therefore the police in Portugal are right to pursue a line of enquiry that focuses on the family, rather than on a possibly/probably non-existant paedophile.

There's also the whole question of psychology relating to this case. This is a difficult and complex area to get into here, but, there are aspects of the behaviour of Madeleine's parents that are worrying and appear to conform to 'patterns' that are often associated with these kinds of cases. I'll just mention the term 'narcism' and leave it at that. Finally, this kind of case is not as unusual as it seems. It isn't unique, far from it. What is unusual though, is it's intensity.


usini

September 10, 2007 9:03 AM

I hang my head in shame about the fact that most of the posters here don't seem to understand that Mr. Hastings is talking about how this and similar cases have been handled by the media and not the case itself...
Mind you he has got form too. As editor of the Evening Standard and the Daily Telegraph he must have made decisions about what was to be on the front page. Seems like a case of poacher turning into gamekeeper.


Jammo100

September 10, 2007 9:04 AM

It may not always be true that people get the politicians they deserve, but judging from the number of twisted, cynical comments here it may be true that they get the media they deserve.

Cases like this fascinate the public, and even if the McCanns had had no comment from day 1, they'd still have been at the centre of a press storm (viz. the Soham case). They just realised that maybe the press interest could help to find their child, and said so. The press first congratulated them for being streetwise, then proceeded to turn them into cunning manipulators, all in the desperate hunt for something more to print.



Bairdie

September 10, 2007 9:06 AM

Even Agatha Christie and her ilk could not dream up how this case of child abduction could suddenly turn into a murder or manslaughter investigation. It took the Portuguese police and the media to do that. The McCanns have not been FORMALLY accused of killing their child, but the media pack simply assume the police 'suspicion' to be true without any evidence to support it.
The Portuguese police have handled the case very, very badly, especially at the start. It even took pressure from the British Govt to force them to release an eyewitness description of a man seen with a child at the scene on the night of the disappearance, and that belatedly 3 weeks after the disappearance.
Now the Portuguese police, who have been in collusion with the Portuguese media and manipulating the international media all along, want to add insult to injury in an attempt to wash their hands of their incompetence by making an INFORMAL accusation for which they claim they will (one day??) produce evidence. This is the emperor's new clothes strategy.

RHPrague

September 10, 2007 9:07 AM

@rebarbative

Clearly you are well informed about the modern regulations surrounding child care and protection, and i am not, furthermore I have not -yet - become a parent, so please accept that my question comes with due respect.

Based on what seems to be the best available understanding of what happened while the McCann's were in the restaurant, what exactly was their behaviour that is so bad that it would trigger an investigation from such authorities? And are we saying that the authorities are following up similar acts of 'neglect' all over the UK? Based on my reading of the information I do find your suggestion a little over the top, when compared with the sadly obvious examples of neglect that we witness every day.

duramater

September 10, 2007 9:08 AM


Bladerunner: "One of the guests staying at the resort actually saw a man carrying a girl answering the description of Madeline in his arms, while the McCanns were at the tapas bar. She described the girl as wearing pink pyjamas of the type Maddie was wearing. The man has never been accounted for."

This is just one the curious inconsistencies of this case. The female guest claims to have seen the man and child at the same time that Gerry McCann and another British holidaymaker were talking on a narrow road outside the MCann's apartment. The guest and the man would have had to have passed both Mcann and the holidaymaker on the road and yet neither of them saw her or the man. Plus the guest did not mention this "fact" at the time. No one else saw the man or child either.

Anyway, my main gripes with the press over this case have been:

1. The xenophobic reporting of the Portugese investigation.
2. The lack of basic sound reporting - it was WEEKS before the UK press even released photos of the crime scene and gave the distance of the Tapas bar from the apartment. Why?
3. The hounding of Robert Murat.
4. The way the McCann's style of "relaxed parenting" was reported as simply being "a momentarily lapse" or "something that most have parents have done at some stage."

I'm also intruiged by the number of articles now appearing which cast doubt over the reliability of DNA evidence. I always thought the UK press thought DNA was the best thing since sliced bread when it came to fighting crime?


The bad news for the UK press is that the internet has filled the gap and people are going to blogs and websites to find out more.


MrPikeBishop

September 10, 2007 9:16 AM

I'm not sure what you are suggesting the alternative might be Max - anonymity for all accused parties? Surely not?

BTW, I've seen people talking of this McCann case as sub judicie - surely that can't be correct? We can say as we like, the case won't be heard in the UK. Regardless of t'internet, there's nothing in UK law to stop us, possibly, prejudicing a portugeuse just is there?

Lots of ironies in this cas,e and they keep coming. I've seen comment over the weekend likening the suspcion surround Kate McCann to that around Joanne Lees - both seeming too unconcerned at initial press conferencs. And yet, the very technology that is putting McCann in the frame, low copy number DNA testing, is the same that cleared Lees, by putting Bradly Murdoch away on very shakey evidence. If the press thinks LCN is unreliable in this case, then how come it was reliable in the Falconio case? Hmm? Shurely shome mistake.

Now, further, the LCN might well have been fooled into thinking that Maddy was in the hire car by presence of her DNA, tracked there by persons or objects doused in Maddy DNA, such as her little rabbit toy. Carried everywhere, since her disapearance, by Kate McCann. A suspicious person might think that a doctor might be aware of the latest practice in forensic DNA examination and would take care not to wreck possible crime scenes by visibly importing DNA. Luckily I'm not suspicious.

Anyway Max, you've seen nothing yet. Just imagine Kate is convicted - imagine the stories then, in this parish in particular "Our society drives women to kill their childen rather than risk their jobs" "The wives who fake child abduction to protect their husband's careers" "Why Kate is more like Diana than Myra..."

That's enough wild speculation for a Monday morning.


bostjan

September 10, 2007 9:24 AM

Bairdie wrote?
*The Portuguese police have handled the case very, very badly, especially at the start. It even took pressure from the British Govt to force them to release an eyewitness description of a man seen with a child at the scene on the night of the disappearance, and that belatedly 3 weeks after the disappearance.*


Really? And how do you know that? Where did you get informations about how Portuguese police have handled the case at all? And what make you competent for making this kind of evaluation at this stage of police investigation?

geoffo

September 10, 2007 9:24 AM

It is honest and encouraging that a journalist such as Max Hastings feels the need to hang his head with shame. He is right to attempt to redress the appalling media frenzy that has grown around this story. There was a time when 'responsible journalism' was a trade mark for some of the broadsheet newspapers.

Now, however, in the increasingly competitive market of newspaper sales and relentless 24/7 internet access, responsible journalism has flown out of the window as the media relentlessly cash in on the McCann story which has now become the new 'Diana' - sales, sales, sales and ratings.

No decent human being would wish for anything other than the safe return of Madeleine. Of course we take an interest in the story. It is human nature to do so and our hearts go out in sympathy all the more so because it is a beautiful child at the centre of the story.

But I cannot help think more responsible reporting might have aided everyone in the search for Madeleine and the truth.


picardy

September 10, 2007 9:26 AM

yes your trade is a shambles.the McCann story has shown the british press and the british public can be fooled by educated sophisticated class.The media needed the tattoo the beer belly the comprehensive accent the football shirt to start a which hunt.The McCann hit the press right between the eyes we are middle class, we dont do murder,we leave our children alone whilst we dine.The working class parents who left their children alone would have have been lynched by the media, the couple friends paid peanuts for dishing dirt on the past of the couple, the McCann thrashed the press into a corner using the present media blind spot to class and truth.The class society of britain is alive and kicking, and as in the past, one can buy the media and freedom it all depends on education,education, education.


Garbutt

September 10, 2007 9:28 AM

Can any parent coming on here to post their two pennort worth of common sense honestly say that, in their desperation, they would not have done exactly the same as the McCanns and gambled on the assistance of the media in helping to return their child to them?
Better to keep quiet and hope the abductor would return the child after a decent period?
Cristobal, I hope you rot in hell for your earlier comments.

timetocare

September 10, 2007 9:30 AM

What baffles me is the DNA found in the hired car. It's apparently partial DNA, so it is as likely to be one of the twins or the parents.

But - darkest of thoughts, the other possibility seems not to have been the twins. Then they dispose of the body - where? - oh, down a drain or something, or chucked high up a tree, where she was ignored by Portuguese birds, or they disappeared her with some special magic. Or,
The media attention on this case, the noxious hounding of Gerry and Kate throughout this nightmare in order to create sensationalist newspaper copy, is sickening. Pandering to a semi-emotionally literate population who tune their emotions to soap operas in order to make money from newspaper sales is nasty. These two poor people - I don't know how they manage to get through their days, but they deserve the utmost respect, love, support and concern. Throughout all this, the anxiety that must be intensifying in them that now they will not even be properly free to try to find their little girl - is quite unimaginable.



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