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If he had remained in the company of Luke etc at the end, then it would have meant that the public liked Luke etc otherwise they wouldn't still have been there at the end, and if the public liked luke etc, then I can see no reason why they wouldn't have liked Mikey. I also think that Mikey would always have got a large majority of votes from Scotland anyway, no matter what he was like (think Jason), and Rachel probably had all of Wales behind her.



There was Davina trying to blame Sara for possibly hurting Darnell, when it was not the case at all. In fact, one of the papers today says (so don't know if it is true) that Sara was upset that Darnell completely dropped her within a few minutes of the Final ending and she is confused about it. He has a very nice looking girlfriend as well. He was just trying all through to get the sympathy vote.



She certainly didn't do what BB had expected of her. Why do you think they didn't want her to win? Because she had let them down. From what she said and did at her audition, they were expecting a very talkative, loud, bubbly, lively, sexy, opinionated, bitchy person and she turned out to be a boring, fence-sitting person who tried to stay in the background, bit her tongue throughout and held back her opinions. I think they must have felt very let down by her and had all the housemates they chose ended up being like her, they would have had their work cut out to keep the viewers. That is the reason they liked Rex and wanted him to stay to the Final, because he was entertaining and helped to give them some footage for the Highlights Shows.

Interesting that it seems to be accepted that 'they didn't want her to win'. Makes the fact that she did win even better - their line 'You Decide' might actually have turned out to be true, despite their best efforts. Excellent.

I'm not so sure - I think Rachel was brought in as 'the nice one', and she played her role, as foil to Rex and others. I imagine those choosing had a good idea that Bex would be more zany than Rachel, etc.

As regards Rachel not being 'bubbly' - I would have thought there were very few who were as constantly upbeat as she was. Grant it, the pink-clad, squealing twins last year were more 'bubbly'...but I hardly think Rachel could be described as morose and dull. After all, her happy disposition was one of the things Rex was irritated by (and I sympathise with him to a certain extent!), and the housemates thought she couldn't be as 'nice' as she seemed.

Craig from BB6 turned out to be quite different from his audition tape. Possibly he was chosen because they thought he'd be a real top dog, bitching and domineering. Instead, he turned out to be a needy love-struck crying human being - and his strange obsession with Anthony gave us the biggest story line of BB6, and enabled the rather lacklustre Anthony to go on and win.

Maybe after that, the producers tried to pick more stereotypical, and rather more one-dimensional housemates...the wag-wannabe, the shouting deluded self-proclaimed 'IT' girl, the eccentric.


I didn't vote for Ray when he was in the final of BB4, despite the fact that I thought he was okay guy. My head was turned by some geezer from Orkney, so I voted for him instead.

(Of course I've since seen the error of my ways )

Actually, the only time I chose an Irish HM above another, was when I voted for Anna in BB1. Even the phenomenal Brian Dowling didn't get my vote - because I couldn't bear to vote against Helen, in BB2.

Therefore I'm not so sure that any Housemate who is from Wales or Scotland would necessarily have all of their country behind them. I've seen posts elsewhere from people saying things like 'I'm from X, and I won't be voting for Housemate A - he/she is a disgrace to X'.

Of course a few Welsh people will have cast a vote for Rachel because she's Welsh, but then, the same could be said for any area - Newcastle, South East London, Liverpool, etc.

When did she say this? I find that interesting for a few reasons. For starters, she's been doing this show for 9 series, surely there has been bigger shocks in BB history and thus she should be well prepared to interview the subject of them when they occur, hence her over inflated salary? Secondly, it was a 2 horse race and she had an hour's gap inbetween. She said herself it was close, surely in this time she could have been rehearsing wwhat to ask both HMs in the event that they won? So in a nutshell, she's either lieing or extraordinarily unprofessional.

But not as bad as Vanessa Layton Williams. Remember how bubbly her VT was and then when she was in the house she was practically mute.

If a HM isn’t up for eviction we cannot boot them. It doesn’t mean we’re not baying for their blood, examples Makosi and Charley. If that had happened with Luke say, that would of seriously damaged Mikey as he listened to every word of Lukes twisted view of things Mikey indeed was described I think by Rex as the foot soldier who was wound up and sent into action.

As for stating nationality is a huge key in voting patterns, well you’re walking in the area of Dales logic here who basically said Rachel only won because she got all the welsh vote, well I’m not welsh and I voted for her. So I vigorously disagree with this logic.

Cripes did he? It doesn’t surprise me, look how he treated Kat who for weeks he said was his friend, he basically derailed her game plan remorselessly (without a twinge of guilt IMO) ensuring her early exit.
Do we expect to see Sara and Darnel dating in the papers thou ? Wasn’t it funny that Dale nearly forgot what to say when asked by davina if he was still dating Jen.

EDIT http://www.dailystar.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2008-09-08

Lesbian romps Total fabrication, shes sold her soul, seems 25k wasnt enough for her then, I`m more a lesbian than her, look how long it took Nicole to get her to snog and how unconfortable she was about doing it.

How dare Rachel be boring, actually the second this trait becomes a crime I’m heading for the hills as its an arbitrary statement that could be applied to everyone including a lot of this years Hms.
But I can see why people think that way specifically about Rachel as Davina said it herself enough times and BBLB where also hammering that very comment home at every chance, mud sticks

( I freely admit we will never agree on this particular topic )

Yes, it was a shame for the show that this was ill disguised.

*nodding"

You`ve probably seen this

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/?int ... page_flash

Was that the pink wearing lady?

Previously the VTs, didnt they used to be home mage ? Not sure at what point the currents VTs are created, as they seem to be professionaly edited etc I would guess very late into the auditioning procedure, so can they be really used as a bench mark for a HMs persona?

Well, perhaps she was just uncomfortable with doing it in the house. I know the story of her going off the rails at 13 is true and that her parents disowned her, because I heard that whilst she was in the house. That is why she came to England to try to make a fresh start.

It is fine to be boring in everyday life, but she was on an Entertainment programme and we want to be entertained. I just meant that if every housemate was boring like her, then most people would probably switch off.

And yes, how dare she be boring, when at her auditions she was totally opposite. She even said that she was a bitch in her VT, which is obviously not true unless she was holding that back from us. Looking at her VT, I can well believe what Bex said about her as well. Bex said that she was at one of the same auditions as Rachel and Rachel was a totally different person. She raised her voice and managed to silence the whole room and was loud and domineering.

I would just prefer a winner to be totally honest and themselves all the while including at the auditions. She got on the show by false pretences and I can see why C4 weren't happy with her. I can understand people putting it on a bit at the auditions in order to get on the show, but not as much as Rachel did. That is downright dishonest in my opinion.

I mean the producers must have thought that she was going to be a dynamite housemate, because I think they originally chose her over Jen (Jen was a last minute replacement for a girl who dropped out), so they probably thought that Jen and Rachel were too similar to both be on there together. That is how they come across on the VT's, but how wrong could they be and that is only because Rachel gave the wrong impression on purpose (she has studied BB). I'm sorry, but I just find that deceitful and don't think that anyone should be rewarded for being deceitful, especially as the impression she gave through the show, was that she was a lovely sweet, honest, caring girl (you wouldn't think she had it in her, to be dishonest at her audition, which shows she cannot be completely what she is cracked up to be.)

Yes, but the difference is, that she didn't win!!