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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 07 Feb 09, 17:42 
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Carol Thatcher’s no racist: she’s just been left behind by a better Britain
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 07 Feb 09, 19:51 
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For me, golliwogs have lost their juju


The meaning of words and objects shifts - what is interesting is whom we allow to say what, and where
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 07 Feb 09, 19:55 
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Carol Thatcher made other offensive remarks in 'golliwog' incident


Carol Thatcher made multiple references describing a French mixed-race tennis player as a "golliwog", "half-golliwog" and "golliwog Frog", sources say.

Thatcher, dropped from BBC1's The One Show after the programme said she refused to adequately apologise for her comments in the programme green room, made multiple remarks in front of 12 people, including presenter Adrian Chiles, comedian Jo Brand and a representative from the Comic Relief charity.

Today, The One Show insiders confirmed a story in the Times that reported that Thatcher had made variations on her comment several times in the green room.

"'Golliwog' wasn't the half of it, it is much worse than what has come out," a programme source told MediaGuardian.co.uk.

Thatcher, the daughter of former prime minister Lady Thatcher, was dropped as a roving reporter from The One Show on Tuesday night after refusing to make a full apology about her remark. Her spokeswoman said it had been an off-the-cuff remark "made in jest".

Today, Thatcher's representative said all the reports on what had happened in the green room, including today's, were "uncorroborated".

A BBC spokeswoman declined to comment.

The BBC said complaints over its handling of the situation had now reached 3,348, while the number of calls and emails supporting the corporation had doubled from 60 yesterday to 133 today.

Sources have said Thatcher is considering selling her side of the story to the Mail on Sunday this weekend.

It is thought the story could rumble on into the weekend, with other sources saying that Thatcher is considering writing a tell-all piece for the Mail on Sunday. However, she is said to be worried that any further attack on the BBC could damage her chances of ever working there again, with one source saying she wanted to see an end to the row.

Thatcher currently has several projects on the go with the BBC – she is due to film a programme for the Inside Out regional current affairs strand about her mother and is also reported to be taking part in BBC1's geneaology series Who Do You Think You Are?

She is understood to have flown out to Italy this morning as part of a European speaking tour. She was seen at London's City airport, and when asked about the row described it as "total bollocks".

A source said the atmosphere among the team on The One Show was currently one of disbelief that the story had become so big.

Chiles is also said to be annoyed at the way he has been portrayed in media coverage amid suggestions he and Brand leaked the story.

MediaGuardian.co.uk understands the story originated from a member of the production team who mentioned it to a friend, who in turn told a reporter on the Times, which broke the story.


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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 08 Feb 09, 10:49 
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SO, the question is — if the BBC deemed Carol Thatcher’s “golliwog” comment to be “racist and deeply offensive” why did someone at the BBC choose to make it public?
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 08 Feb 09, 11:40 
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Carol Thatcher is dim, but don't pillory her for thought crime

People have thoughts which we may find abhorrent, but hounding them leads us down a dangerous road


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Whatever they say about living in a surveillance society, the standard of snooping in this country clearly leaves much to be desired. It is almost unbelievable that no record exists of Carol Thatcher disgracing herself after The One Show, a scene which, according to the BBC, cannot even be classified as private. Does not an event's non-availability on YouTube constitute one of the last, meaningful definitions of the word?

At the same time video clips refresh one's memory of the Ross/Brand outrage and of Prince Harry's "little Paki friend", BBC functionaries confirm Thatcher's shame of shames rests on a heap of paraphrase, to the effect that she compared a black tennis player to a golliwog. Though, like Gordon Brown's jest about "British Jobs for British Workers", Thatcher insists she didn't meant anything by it.

What else did she say? How much had she drunk? Was this routine behaviour, once her roving reportage was done for the week? Out of the 12 people present, including Jo Brand and Adrian Chiles, it is still not known if all were offended by her observations and equally convinced of their civic duty to report their colleague to the nearest line manager, so as to have her re-educated or removed.

As this feels very much like a test case, where the correct response to racist celebrity asides is concerned, it has to be irrelevant that in the case of The One Show, the outcome is not universally regretted. Younger viewers perhaps fail to grasp just how offensive the words "Carol Thatcher" once were. Long before she was signed up by The One Show, presumably in the belief that her mother was still prime minister, Carol's promotion, within the BBC and outside it, caused real hurt to journalists whose relations were unable to bring similar influence to bear on the Thatcherite meritocracy. Even now, one notices, she has the good fortune to be martyred for being politically incorrect, instead of being sacked 30 years too late, for having no discernible talent.

If this is unfair to Ms Thatcher, we can no doubt leave it to her former producers on The One Show to explain what a noble mind is here o'erthrown. More pressing, surely, is the potential impact of this event on more deserving workers. However justified they might be in believing that Thatcher's staggeringly unpleasant language, like Clarkson's mockery of the one-eyed, or Ross's persecution of OAPs, to be behaviour pretty much exclusive to top BBC celebrities, that is not to say that otherwise decent civilians might not, from time to time, find their inner lives departing from best diversity practice. Even if no one in their right mind would want to defend to the death Carol Thatcher's right to racially insult black tennis players, it is not impossible that her current treatment could one day influence their own.

Some of the finest minds may entertain - though this is obviously hard for many of us to accept - flashes of culturally inappropriate thoughts or language. Making it theoretically possible that one of these thoughts or words might occasionally spill out in circumstances where, despite the apparent informality, others might take offence, either personally or as a proxy for the relevant insulted group. Impossible to imagine? Picture Philip Larkin or TS Eliot on the razzle, before they were exposed, respectively, as a pervert and antisemite.

In the absence of a green room, unacceptable lapses have conventionally occurred in canteens or at office parties where people such as John Prescott toss their secretaries in the air. But as the golliwog-minded die off, and as more and more workers become careful about their language, offensive speech is probably more prevalent in the City, in business and the sequestered spaces of the political class. In Alastair Campbell's diary, we find, for instance, that when they shared office, he and his colleague Tony Blair regularly indulged in blokeish speculation about women. Ubiquitous as he is, Adrian Chiles cannot be expected to police the whole world.

At least, from Campbell, we learn what we did not know during his administration: that Blair's private speech about women was strikingly at odds with Labour's ideals. Do such covert thought crimes matter? Certainly, if you believe BBC 1's controller Jay Hunt. When pressed on Carol Thatcher's right to privacy, she indicated that public/private boundaries do not signify where offensive speech is concerned. "I don't think it's fine that she says this at home," she told the Today programme.

So how, in future, can Ms Hunt control what her staff are saying when they are not on BBC premises? A reliable, Nineteen Eighty-Four-style method for reading minds may still be some way off, but from China to East Germany, real-life thought policemen have proved the effectiveness of friends and lovers, spouses and children, in enforcing domestic conformity with official belief systems. Perhaps the requirement to say nothing at home you would not say at work cannot always be reconciled with freedom of expression, but as the golliwog incident reminds us, that liberty is increasingly trumped by the competing right not to be offended. Even in spirit.

That the BBC expected Thatcher to patrol what passes for her consciousness in a place where the flow of wine indicates that professional expectations have been temporarily suspended makes her case a significant advance on the now routine suppression of unwelcome plays, books, cartoons etc. If, as Ms Hunt suggests, staff who slacken in their self-censorship court public shame, employees will surely want to protect themselves from malicious accusations by insisting on recording equipment in every corner of their workplace.

Of course, an absence of compromising evidence is no guarantee that the inside of your friend or colleague's head is as blameless an environment as Jo Brand's. The corps of the English National Ballet presumably had no idea, until told by newspapers, they had been pirouetting around a BNP member. And think of Mrs Max Mosley: unaware, until the News of the World filmed him at it, that the FIA president, her husband of 48 years, regularly participated in sadomasochistic orgies.

To the consternation of many of us who do not like to think that the figurehead of the Camping and Caravanning Club is a keen user of prostitutes, Mr Justice Eady ruled that there had been no public interest justification for Mosley's exposure, noting that European law "affords respect to an individual's right to conduct his or her personal life without state interference or condemnation". Even among the prostitutes, Mosley had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Rather reluctantly, given what the case revealed about Mosley, who presumably numbers women among his colleagues, I have come to accept that Eady was right: a man's repellent sexual behaviour in private, if it is not illegal, should not be used to disqualify him from public life. In which case, Thatcher's offensive choice of words, unknown to her audience, surely merits an equally strong defence. Even when she partied with The One Show, she had a reasonable expectation of privacy. And if we can't speak freely in private, we're finished.
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 08 Feb 09, 11:57 
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Death threats made to Carol Thatcher over 'golliwog' row, her agent claims

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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
PostPosted: 08 Feb 09, 12:00 
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My mum used to call Prince Philip a 'w*g'. But she's long dead... and so is this sort of language
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
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WILLIAM REES-MOGG: Carol may have a tin ear, but she's no racist
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
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Editor-At-Large: BBC was right to get the stupid celeb out of there

By Janet Street-Porter


Carol Thatcher, martyr in the cause of free speech or dumb blonde? Again the BBC runs a news story about itself – the sacking of Carol from The One Show – because she described a black tennis player as a "golliwog". It's not great when a news organisation that's supposed to represent a gold standard of reporting decides that the sacking of a part-time reporter is more worthy of inclusion on the main news than school closures, the demise of the high street, or interest rates. Given this self-obsession, can we expect a news flash if Jonathan Ross's wife Jane stops dyeing her hair that unfortunate shade of shocking pink? Who decides these things?
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* Alan Watkins: 'Golliwog' or 'depression': they're just words

I have experience of these changing priorities because, a while ago, I was at home when I heard my name on the 9am news on Radio 4, which told listeners I had been arrested because of an allegation that I had made a racist remark to a neighbour. I was increasingly incredulous as this information was repeated throughout the day on the BBC. At the time I wasn't even working for it. By the way, no charges were ever brought and the whole matter was dropped, but the BBC didn't bother to broadcast that fact to the nation. It's a rum business, this people-focused news agenda in the age of celebrity.

Now, the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has waded in, saying he thinks Carol shouldn't have been sacked, although he found her comment "a bit offensive". I disagree. Carol Thatcher is monumentally stupid. As writer Mike Phillips said last week, you have to be downright dim not to know that such language is offensive in contemporary Britain.

For years, people have charitably described Carol as "eccentric", just as others use the same term of Sarah Kennedy. Ms Kennedy caused outrage when she said on her Radio 2 programme she didn't see a black man in the dark until he opened his mouth to yawn. The BBC apologised, but not on air. Both Ms Kennedy and Ms Thatcher like a few bevvies, but that's not really an excuse for lazy racism. Both seem rather sad middle-aged women, so perhaps coming out with unexpected offensive remarks makes them feel part of the cut and thrust of the youthful media world – who knows?

In 2007, I made a series for ITV2 with Carol, in which we drove black taxis. Carol declined to turn up for the final day's shooting, saying she felt unwell. That might have been the case, but it caused monumental problems for the production. It is thoroughly unprofessional not to complete a seven-part series you have been contracted to shoot.

Before Carol took part in I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! we had a drink. I told her the cameras would capture her every move, so I was astonished to see her urinating next to her bed in the jungle (the pictures were edited for transmission). Nevertheless, the public warmed to Carol and she was a popular winner.

She's a lonely character, who finds her mother's decline hard to bear, loyally visiting her nearly every day, whereas her brother has upped sticks to live abroad. And yet, she decided to reveal the extent of Baroness Thatcher's dementia in a book, something which many found unnecessarily intrusive. So Carol is, at best, a bit of a troubled character. It's interesting that initially she wouldn't apologise for her remark, claiming it was a "joke" when it clearly was nothing of the kind.

The BBC was right to axe Carol from The One Show, but, more importantly, they should start demonstrating consistency. The BBC1 controller Jay Hunt claimed Jonathan Ross wasn't sacked over Andrew Sachs, because he "was aware he had caused offence" – but he didn't apologise publicly for 11 days, and continued to make jokes about the incident off-air. BBC3 broadcast a revolting programme last month called Most Annoying People 2008, in which Radio 5 presenter DJ Spoony slagged off lesbians: "Let the munters and mingers get each other... no one really wants them ones." Referring to Lindsay Lohan and Samantha Ronson, he said: "When they're hot and fit, Hollywood superstars... they should be saved for other guys."

On the same programme, Ricky Martin was judged annoying because he refused to confirm or deny he was gay. Viewers called the show "half-witted student crap" and gay websites condemned it. But neither witless Spoony nor the BBC apologised, even repeating the programme. Meanwhile, Jeremy Clarkson, at a press conference in Australia, calls the Prime Minister "a one-eyed Scottish idiot". I doubt he will be reprimanded, as his brand, like Jonathan Ross's, is a valuable commodity to the cash-strapped corporation. But Carol Thatcher is very disposable.
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PostPosted: 08 Feb 09, 23:49 
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 Post subject: Re: BBC sack Carol Thatcher
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There is no need to apologise

Personally I blame Denis. Carol Thatcher, his daughter and biographer, was, I am sure, used to words like golliwog, pansies and pinkoes being banded about over breakfast. But Denis, who wisely lived by the maxim that "whales only get shot when they spout" was careful not to give vent to his feelings in public, and as a result came to be regarded as a bit of a national treasure.

But Carol earns her living as a spouter, and not surprisingly has now run into trouble with the BBC, an organisation which Denis was convinced was in the hands of Trotskyites and other left-wing subversives. In this he was mistaken. But what nobody can deny is that the BBC of today is run by assorted non-entities with little contact with the real world. The latest to emerge blinking into the spotlight is a Ms Jay Hunt, the head of BBC1. It is she who has sacked Carol for referring to a tennis player as a golliwog and refusing to apologise.

This business of apologising has become a vexed issue – not surprising when Tony Blair can, with a straight face, issue an apology for the Irish potato famine. To whom is Carol expected to apologise? Did someone who overheard the remark complain and, if so, who? Should she apologise to the unnamed (by the BBC) tennis player? The black community? Or is the nation at large entitled to an apology to be made on peak-time TV? Carol should stick to her guns and say nothing. If anyone should apologise it is Ms Jay Hunt for once again showing that the BBC has become a laughing stock.
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A peek at the diary of ... Carol Thatcher

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Carol isn't a racist ... but Royals should be ashamed
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